Let’s talk about NBA stats

[Handlogten's Heros]

I hesitate to use "best", but EPM is one of the all-in-one type metrics I turn to the most. Support the site if you can!

Any stats that tell me Keyonte is something less than MJ himself is hot garbage.

 

[SoUjazzfan]

Nah too gimmicky... just make end of quarter heaves not count as a miss. If it goes in it counts as a make.

Just remove it from 3 point % and make it it's own statistical category. Would be no reason not to chuck them up at that point

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Just remove it from 3 point % and make it it's own statistical category. Would be no reason not to chuck them up at that point

Wasn't my exact solution but something along those lines is great. I just say have a designation for "heaves" and they don't count as fg attempts. Just say last 3 seconds of each quarter if you shoot a wild shot from beyond 30 feet its a heave and any misses don't count as an attempt. Gives them incentive to shoot it as if it goes in it will improve their FG%.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

Wasn't my exact solution but something along those lines is great. I just say have a designation for "heaves" and they don't count as fg attempts. Just say last 3 seconds of each quarter if you shoot a wild shot from beyond 30 feet its a heave and any misses don't count as an attempt. Gives them incentive to shoot it as if it goes in it will improve their FG%.

basketball-reference has a category for "heaves". While they don't subtract those shots from the others, it's obviously easy to do that.




... Seeing this thread make me remember that I was excited to dig into this... Then I had the most exhausting interaction of all time and decided, Nah, not here.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I hesitate to use "best", but EPM is one of the all-in-one type metrics I turn to the most. Support the site if you can!

Do you have NBA leaders here? I like to see how different stats match expectations/eye test.

 

[KqWIN]

Do you have NBA leaders here? I like to see how different stats match expectations/eye test.

Dunks & Threes: Pro Basketball Analysis

NBA stats, analysis, and predictions. Home of Estimated Plus-Minus (EPM).

dunksandthrees.com

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Dunks & Threes: Pro Basketball Analysis

NBA stats, analysis, and predictions. Home of Estimated Plus-Minus (EPM).

dunksandthrees.com

Thanks, pretty solid list.

LeBron is insane, wtf is he still doing near the top of the league.

 

[KqWIN]

Thanks, pretty solid list.

LeBron is insane, wtf is he still doing near the top of the league.

LeBron is not human. The other one who sticks out to me is Chet. I don't think he's top 6 player good (yet), but he's been amazing this season.

Also, just FYI for anyone out there. EPM is very similar to the original ESPN RPM (JE's version) before they chalked it and messed it up. Most people seem to think it's the approach that makes the most sense math wise and I agree, no bells and whistles to make it more marketable. DARKO is not single season, but rather an estimate on how good a player is right here and now. Previous performance plays a factor, so someone like Lauri who had an extraordinary jump will also be lagging behind in that kind of metric.

 

[fishonjazz]

Thanks, pretty solid list.

LeBron is insane, wtf is he still doing near the top of the league.

LeBron defies reason.
Two of the biggest things that I dont think I will ever understand are people who hate lebron with a passion and people who love trump with a passion. And I think they are often the same people lol.

 

[Ron Mexico]

All the stats site keep getting worse or hiding behind paywalls. Basketball reference split up their site and most the more advanced stats are hidden. Now this year NBA.com dropped a bunch of the filters for their data making it hard to get decent info out of it.

 

[HermanG]

All the stats site keep getting worse or hiding behind paywalls. Basketball reference split up their site and most the more advanced stats are hidden. Now this year NBA.com dropped a bunch of the filters for their data making it hard to get decent info out of it.

Same thing happened with NFL like 10 years ago. Legalized gambling is likely the biggest factor, but in NFL the fantasy football business is also huge and likely drove those sites behind paywalls faster.

 

[KqWIN]

All the stats site keep getting worse or hiding behind paywalls. Basketball reference split up their site and most the more advanced stats are hidden. Now this year NBA.com dropped a bunch of the filters for their data making it hard to get decent info out of it.

It’s unfortunate, but a lot of the good stat sites are just made/maintained by independent people. For the amount of time these people put into it and the time I use their site I don’t have a problem paying for certain stuff. Still, there’s a lot of good free stuff out there.

I will always plug pbpstats.com. Probably the tool I use the most.