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Let's go to Mars?

In no way am I anti-Nasa but I just don't see settling upon Mars as practical at all. Hell, is it even solving anything? Will it eliminate our biggest problem, our irresponsibility to one another and our planet, or simply let us hang on a little while longer until we **** up that planet too?

Our biggest issue is overpopulation. Period. The only way to control that is to lay down some Big Brother ****. It sucks. I'm sure babe will come in here and tell me how I'm an idiot by even suggesting that we, as one people, implement some sort of procreation laws or scientific remedies to prevent mass reproduction that will be infringing upon our human rights. And I can see that point. I'm suffocating even thinking about it. But it's sensible. We have laws and rules that already do such. Not just anyone can drive. We have to pass a test. But anyone can have 11 kids, all the while passing on the responsibility of raising them to a single mother who thinks she's doing a good job by having a 12th to get a bigger welfare check to support them.

If we fix overpopulation, we can "fix" this planet. Perhaps not infinitely because yes, oil and other resources are finite, but you can bet your *** we'll go on a helluva lot longer, in a society that makes a helluva lot more sense.

We live in a crazy world.

Let the flaming begin.

I understand a lot of fundamentalist christians consider things pretty much in the light you refer to, and I can see where it might seem hateful to ZPG planners or the intellectuals who target oh maybe 500 million. . . m, not b . . . . as a sustainable world population going forward.

I'm not a hater where I can see the reasons for someone's beliefs, unless those beliefs include some claim to power to impose those beliefs on others. The arrogance and conceit of totalitarian mentalities is pretty much what I do hate.

I well remember my own, and accordingly I consider myself pretty much an idiot for all the things I've believed that were just stupid, and I'm not sure I'm done with that, either. I think the definition of "Idiot" should include some of our smartest intellectuals who think they have the superiority that justifies imposing their view on others.

My first dealings with the Malthusian exponential population growth extrapolations was in the sixties, and I just think it's demonstrable that human population, like rabbit or mosquito populations, are inherently self-limiting in a number of ways, which makes Malthus just dead wrong and an idiot.

populations exist in a circumstantial context of limitations. The conditions required for a population "explosion" are rare, or unusual, or cyclical, and are not the fundamental reality we live in. There needs to be food, water, air, space, absence of diseases, and absence of competitors for the resources we depend on. There not only needs to be enough but a significant excess that ensures the resources are readily available.

We humans have, under the common "scientific" story of the history of Man, repetitively lived on the leading edge of sustainable population conditions for almost all of our history. We filled up our niche, and more or less occupied that niche as jungle-dwelling proto-humans. We ate the available fruits and berries, and swung around in the available trees, and pressed the resources to their limits, and faced plagues, diseases, murderous contentions over the last pieces of fruit and the last tree, or whatever.

then somebody found a cave. others spread out looking for more caves. The population increased to fill that extension of our "niche", and press it to the limit. . . .

Then somebody learned how to keep a fire, and life became possible in colder areas. We could cook meat and seeds. The population expanded again to fill the new niches. . . . to the limit.

somebody made some tools. . . .

somebody learned to plant grains. . . .

somebody learned to build rock houses. . . . .

somebody learned to keep animals like cows. . . .

sheep. . . . .

horses. . . . .

smelt metal, make better tools. . . . .

All through all this history, Man has found ways to make more humans on this planet "sustainable".

Over one hundred years ago, some idiot proposed closing the US Patent office because everything had already been invented.

That idiot was a brother to the inbred spawn of our elitists today who say we must not advance technology nor allow humans to solve problems in ways that will make more humun life sustainable.

Where we let our technologies stop is where our population will stop, because that is just the way it is. People will not have the circumstances and conditions required for life. People will fight wars, and diseases will arise. We might live for thousands of years at some "sustainable" level, whether it "just happens" or is "planned sustainability".

But about two or three to five billion years from now, we will just be cooked as our planet is melted in the expansion phase of our sun becoming a red giant. If we don't want that to just be the end of it all, we have to develop technologies, and expand our niche repetitively to where we can go to other planets, and planets of other stars.


Fundamentally, we must make one key choice: whether we want leadership that treats us like cattle, or whether we want leadership that is going to treat us like humans should be treated. Free, and capable of using all the resources and intelligence we have to solve our problems.

Pretty obvious to me that our corporate/cartelist elites who seek to manage us today by imposing population controls are the same bums who have polluted our planet and wasted our resources for their own selfish little interests, and we need to replace them with another breed.

Pretty obvious to me we need to recycle everything as much as possible, live more efficiently in many ways, and develop technology in a responsible way. And move on to higher orders of technology that will enable us to continue our journey without just consuming every last tree or piece of fruit, or whatever resource. We need nuclear power, responsibly done. We need fusion power, again. . . . responsibly done. Whatever resource is at hand, or within reach.

It's the definition of "intelligence" to create the necessary conditions for life. And extend the range of those conditions.

And if we don't start making that journey now, when will we????
 

https://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/24/companies-plan-to-mine-precious-metals-in-space/?hpt=hp_t2[/URL]

Could this century's equivalent of the 19th-century gold rush come in space?At least two start-up companies are putting money and impressive names in science, business and even entertainment behind the theory that platinum and other precious metals can be mined out of this world and brought back to Earth to become parts of our cell phones and other important electronic devices.Planetary Resources, which boasts filmmaker James Cameron and Google executives Larry Page and Eric Schmidt among its backers, is holding a 1:30 p.m. ET press conference Tuesday at Seattle's Museum of Flight to announce what it calls "a new space venture with a mission to help ensure humanity's prosperity."Watch the press conference live"The company will overlay two critical sectors space exploration and natural resources to add trillions of dollars to the global GDP. This innovative start-up will create a new industry and a new definition of 'natural resources,'" the release for the press conference reads.First up for the Bellevue, Washington, company will be putting a surveying telescope into Earth orbit within two years. That instrument will look for near-Earth asteroids that contain precious metals and water,
company co-founder Eric Anderson told Bloomberg
. Within four years, prospecting could begin on those objects, Anderson said.

I think, ultimately, it will be private enterprise that takes us into space.
 
Because we do not have unlimited funding for these types of programs.

The government does not have to control all exploration. Also if government cut out stupid waste we would have enough money. (life pensions and healthcare for 1 term senators, hearings on steroids in baseball, the GSA parties, fast and furious, Iraq...).
 
as someone who was chased down by a UFO when I was 16 years old,watching a super bright light just sit right above me for a couple minutes and then speed off into the sky in a matter of a blink has left a lifetime impression on me.with that said ,I think that we will see other worlds like Mars but it will be by other species taking us there.My hope is that these aliens are of the friendly nature and we are not going to these worlds by force but by gracious hospitality by our other worldly visitors.
 
also space exploration might be important considering extra terrestrial life.
maybe their are intelligent beings waiting in the shadows until we reach a certain level of technology.

jsut like in star trek when they wait to make first contact until a planet gets faster than light travel on their own. who knows maybe they are waiting until there is the first manned space flight to another planet or whatever.
 
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I'd like to rep this now, but I'll have to come back another day. . . . best laugh of the day. I could wonder if it's directed at the UFO remark, or me.

This is how I feel in a world run by progressive elitists. . . . . well, by any "authority".
 
I'd like to rep this now, but I'll have to come back another day. . . . best laugh of the day. I could wonder if it's directed at the UFO remark, or me.

This is how I feel in a world run by progressive elitists. . . . . well, by any "authority".

Not directed at you at all. And I'll reply to your post in the next few days. I'm quite frankly exhausted and now intend on compounding that by staying up til 1am for this game tonight which we very likely might lose, thus making my day tomorrow even more miserable.
 
Man, I think too many folks have gotten caught up in the Sci-Fi genre and romanticize space exploration. It takes us almost a full year to send unmanned drones to Mars. Traveling to Mars or any other planet is not practical, and probably never will be. In the meantime, scientists should focus on telling me whats in the mother ****ing ocean! Godzilla could be in there for all we know, but we're too busy getting wet panties and nerd boners over the fact that they've found ice particles on Mars.
 
Man, I think too many folks have gotten caught up in the Sci-Fi genre and romanticize space exploration. It takes us almost a full year to send unmanned drones to Mars. Traveling to Mars or any other planet is not practical, and probably never will be. In the meantime, scientists should focus on telling me whats in the mother ****ing ocean! Godzilla could be in there for all we know, but we're too busy getting wet panties and nerd boners over the fact that they've found ice particles on Mars.

The oceans has its limits, space on the other hand… who knows!!
 
as someone who was chased down by a UFO when I was 16 years old,watching a super bright light just sit right above me for a couple minutes and then speed off into the sky in a matter of a blink has left a lifetime impression on me.with that said ,I think that we will see other worlds like Mars but it will be by other species taking us there.My hope is that these aliens are of the friendly nature and we are not going to these worlds by force but by gracious hospitality by our other worldly visitors.

Curious where did this happen at?
 
Man, I think too many folks have gotten caught up in the Sci-Fi genre and romanticize space exploration. It takes us almost a full year to send unmanned drones to Mars. Traveling to Mars or any other planet is not practical, and probably never will be. In the meantime, scientists should focus on telling me whats in the mother ****ing ocean! Godzilla could be in there for all we know, but we're too busy getting wet panties and nerd boners over the fact that they've found ice particles on Mars.

screw the oceans. watch journey to the center of the eartj
BORING

anywhwo space is the final frontier.
 
Curious where did this happen at?
It happened in Greeley,Colorado in 1982,I was 16 and it was on a ranch about 2 in the morning in a place where weird cattle mutilations were happening .cattle having their organs cut out with no tracks and very little blood.
 
It happened in Greeley,Colorado in 1982,I was 16 and it was on a ranch about 2 in the morning in a place where weird cattle mutilations were happening .cattle having their organs cut out with no tracks and very little blood.
what drugs where you on a couple of hours before it happened?
 
what drugs where you on a couple of hours before it happened?
funny,I was hunting rabbits by shining a spotlight in their eyes and scooping them up with a long fishnet for 8 bucks a peice,so the ufo maybe thought I was on drugs and wanted to check out what the heck Iwas doing out on the prairie at 2am in the pitch black night.so they came out of the sky followed me with a blinding light scaring the crap out of me then took off back into space wit a speed not known to man.
 
It happened in Greeley,Colorado in 1982,I was 16 and it was on a ranch about 2 in the morning in a place where weird cattle mutilations were happening .cattle having their organs cut out with no tracks and very little blood.

I was born in 1982! Interesting story! Was this the only insident?
 
I was born in 1982! Interesting story! Was this the only insident?
yes,this was the only time anything like that happened.now Ido find myself looking at the skies and gone from a skeptic to a total believer in other worldly species.one day these guys are goin to show us the way to get to the other worlds.
 
yes,this was the only time anything like that happened.now Ido find myself looking at the skies and gone from a skeptic to a total believer in other worldly species.one day these guys are goin to show us the way to get to the other worlds.

I'm afraid you've watched one too many movies, pal.
 
You people are CJ Miles grade Morons.

Do we really want to start space travel?

If Star Trek has taught us anything, it is that staying "primitive" is our best protection.

To travel throughout the galaxy means encountering new and violent species, a (banished) genius man who stuffs scorpion things into people's ears to take over their brains, half robots who will want to assimilate our technology, a strange electronic storm that takes people to paradise, weird tunnel things that communicate with whales, Godlike entities that will put our civilization on trial, and busty women who would be super hot if they just weren't blue.

The theme from Star Trek isn't to boldly go where no one has gone before... It's to stay the hell out of the spotlight so no one will even know we exist!

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You people are CJ Miles grade Morons.

Do we really want to start space travel?

If Star Trek has taught us anything, it is that staying "primitive" is our best protection.

To travel throughout the galaxy means encountering new and violent species, a (banished) genius man who stuffs scorpion things into people's ears to take over their brains, half robots who will want to assimilate our technology, a strange electronic storm that takes people to paradise, weird tunnel things that communicate with whales, Godlike entities that will put our civilization on trial, and busty women who would be super hot if they just weren't blue.

The theme from Star Trek isn't to boldly go where no one has gone before... It's to stay the hell out of the spotlight so no one will even know we exist!

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Sorta like some primitive cave dweller cowering before cows. No guts.

But if your put the Startrek propaganda series in it's true light as an advanced tutorial to prepare the masses for totalitarian control of the universe under some anthopocentric scientific statism ideology, I guess I'd be on board with the whole

"Let's not go there" concept.
 
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