In no way am I anti-Nasa but I just don't see settling upon Mars as practical at all. Hell, is it even solving anything? Will it eliminate our biggest problem, our irresponsibility to one another and our planet, or simply let us hang on a little while longer until we **** up that planet too?
Our biggest issue is overpopulation. Period. The only way to control that is to lay down some Big Brother ****. It sucks. I'm sure babe will come in here and tell me how I'm an idiot by even suggesting that we, as one people, implement some sort of procreation laws or scientific remedies to prevent mass reproduction that will be infringing upon our human rights. And I can see that point. I'm suffocating even thinking about it. But it's sensible. We have laws and rules that already do such. Not just anyone can drive. We have to pass a test. But anyone can have 11 kids, all the while passing on the responsibility of raising them to a single mother who thinks she's doing a good job by having a 12th to get a bigger welfare check to support them.
If we fix overpopulation, we can "fix" this planet. Perhaps not infinitely because yes, oil and other resources are finite, but you can bet your *** we'll go on a helluva lot longer, in a society that makes a helluva lot more sense.
We live in a crazy world.
Let the flaming begin.
I understand a lot of fundamentalist christians consider things pretty much in the light you refer to, and I can see where it might seem hateful to ZPG planners or the intellectuals who target oh maybe 500 million. . . m, not b . . . . as a sustainable world population going forward.
I'm not a hater where I can see the reasons for someone's beliefs, unless those beliefs include some claim to power to impose those beliefs on others. The arrogance and conceit of totalitarian mentalities is pretty much what I do hate.
I well remember my own, and accordingly I consider myself pretty much an idiot for all the things I've believed that were just stupid, and I'm not sure I'm done with that, either. I think the definition of "Idiot" should include some of our smartest intellectuals who think they have the superiority that justifies imposing their view on others.
My first dealings with the Malthusian exponential population growth extrapolations was in the sixties, and I just think it's demonstrable that human population, like rabbit or mosquito populations, are inherently self-limiting in a number of ways, which makes Malthus just dead wrong and an idiot.
populations exist in a circumstantial context of limitations. The conditions required for a population "explosion" are rare, or unusual, or cyclical, and are not the fundamental reality we live in. There needs to be food, water, air, space, absence of diseases, and absence of competitors for the resources we depend on. There not only needs to be enough but a significant excess that ensures the resources are readily available.
We humans have, under the common "scientific" story of the history of Man, repetitively lived on the leading edge of sustainable population conditions for almost all of our history. We filled up our niche, and more or less occupied that niche as jungle-dwelling proto-humans. We ate the available fruits and berries, and swung around in the available trees, and pressed the resources to their limits, and faced plagues, diseases, murderous contentions over the last pieces of fruit and the last tree, or whatever.
then somebody found a cave. others spread out looking for more caves. The population increased to fill that extension of our "niche", and press it to the limit. . . .
Then somebody learned how to keep a fire, and life became possible in colder areas. We could cook meat and seeds. The population expanded again to fill the new niches. . . . to the limit.
somebody made some tools. . . .
somebody learned to plant grains. . . .
somebody learned to build rock houses. . . . .
somebody learned to keep animals like cows. . . .
sheep. . . . .
horses. . . . .
smelt metal, make better tools. . . . .
All through all this history, Man has found ways to make more humans on this planet "sustainable".
Over one hundred years ago, some idiot proposed closing the US Patent office because everything had already been invented.
That idiot was a brother to the inbred spawn of our elitists today who say we must not advance technology nor allow humans to solve problems in ways that will make more humun life sustainable.
Where we let our technologies stop is where our population will stop, because that is just the way it is. People will not have the circumstances and conditions required for life. People will fight wars, and diseases will arise. We might live for thousands of years at some "sustainable" level, whether it "just happens" or is "planned sustainability".
But about two or three to five billion years from now, we will just be cooked as our planet is melted in the expansion phase of our sun becoming a red giant. If we don't want that to just be the end of it all, we have to develop technologies, and expand our niche repetitively to where we can go to other planets, and planets of other stars.
Fundamentally, we must make one key choice: whether we want leadership that treats us like cattle, or whether we want leadership that is going to treat us like humans should be treated. Free, and capable of using all the resources and intelligence we have to solve our problems.
Pretty obvious to me that our corporate/cartelist elites who seek to manage us today by imposing population controls are the same bums who have polluted our planet and wasted our resources for their own selfish little interests, and we need to replace them with another breed.
Pretty obvious to me we need to recycle everything as much as possible, live more efficiently in many ways, and develop technology in a responsible way. And move on to higher orders of technology that will enable us to continue our journey without just consuming every last tree or piece of fruit, or whatever resource. We need nuclear power, responsibly done. We need fusion power, again. . . . responsibly done. Whatever resource is at hand, or within reach.
It's the definition of "intelligence" to create the necessary conditions for life. And extend the range of those conditions.
And if we don't start making that journey now, when will we????