Let's go to Mars?
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That makes two of us. In my lifetime, I am planning on going into space. These limpdicks in Washington better not screw with me on this one.
Zulu
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James Cameron is not only interested in the oceans. This article talks about his asteroid minning company.
https://thesavoia.com/2012/04/19/james-cameron-is-launching-an-asteroid-mining-company/
https://thesavoia.com/2012/04/19/james-cameron-is-launching-an-asteroid-mining-company/
Is Mars where Mohammed now resides with his 72 virgins?
The Black Swordsman
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Nope, thats venus
Gameface provides you a pearl and you have to **** it up arguing with yourself???
Bleh.
How many people will read this thinking it's crazy before they realize it is less far fetched than they are advocating? +13 for a brand new point.
Bleh.
How many people will read this thinking it's crazy before they realize it is less far fetched than they are advocating? +13 for a brand new point.
The Thriller
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Yawn.
Without the bank bailouts people wouldn't have credit, would have lost their homes, unemployment would be far greater than it is today, and even fewer revenue would be collected from taxes. Then where would NASA get its funding?
Gotta love how he seems to blame Obama for the "cutting" of the shuttle program... In reality, the program had long passed its expected life and Bush canceled it. Obama shifted more of the programs onto the private sector. Boeing, for example, has been involved for years. The mere fact that conservatives/repubs are fighting Obama over this just goes to show how ridiculous they have become in order to score political points. Had Obama increased NASA funding they would have cried foul and demanded that the private sector share more of the responsibility. Since he did exactly that, now they're crying that more funding should have been given to NASA.
Ultimately, Neil's point is well taken. We funded the space race because of war. War is what determines where our funds go.
Today, we aren't at war with a country that has the capability to launch missiles into space. Today, we're fighting with an enemy that threatens to shut down oil wells.
What we really need is for China or Brazil to start another cold war and start launching crap into space. Nothing would increase NASA funding and change our focus back to space more than that.
I also don't buy that we're not producing the engineers or developing the technology as we should. We're still producing engineers. Who is developing the technology to spy on Iran? Who is developing the new weapons we are using? We're still developing new technology. Perhaps it is less "space" based. But that doesn't take away from the fact that wars in the ME have led to drone aircraft, stealth helicopters, and cellphones. True, different technology may have developed had we kept aiming for space. But then again different technology would have been developed had we waged a war against water based creatures or aliens from outer space.
I'm down with exploration w/space. It is a new frontier. It is thee frontier. I just don't buy the doom and gloom that this video presented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_program
https://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/hsfe_shuttle/index.html
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North Korea, China, Russia... Nuclear powers... Middle Eastern countries trying...
Is the democratic party really this naive?
I'll answer that. NO! That's why the ENTIRE PARTY pushed us into Iraq in 1996 and all supported the war during the 2003 prez campaign. John Kerry.
But some of us are sons of union workers so we have to push this party line stheef ya?
7StraightIsGreat
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From what little we do know about Mars, it seems like it's extremely short on the resources that we would need to survive there. So even if we could settle Mars, how do we get those resources? Import them from Earth? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of finding another planet that can support us?
Unlike Mars, our oceans are a tangible, attainable asset that sits right before us yet vast areas of it still remain unexplored. Why not do a better job of researching what's in our own back yard before turning our attention to the pipe dream of interplanetary colonization?
Unlike Mars, our oceans are a tangible, attainable asset that sits right before us yet vast areas of it still remain unexplored. Why not do a better job of researching what's in our own back yard before turning our attention to the pipe dream of interplanetary colonization?
Mars has water. From that we can get everything else we need.
What resources do you think Mars lacks other than a thick oxygen rich atmosphere?
What we would learn from trying to sustain life on Mars could be the key to learning how to sustain life on Earth. What we learn about what kind of impact we can have on the atmosphere on Mars could solve the dispute about how much of an impact we're having on the atmosphere on Earth.
People have said we need to take care of Earth instead of finding another planet to ruin. I think we learn how to fix our own planet by learning how to make Mars work for us.
This is not a 10 year plan. This is a 100-500 year plan. I know people typically don't think in terms of 100-500 years, but we need to start now so that 500 years from now we're not trying to figure out how to support 35 billion people on this one planet.
The only way to allow humanity to expand naturally is to go into space. Otherwise, as Mantooth stated, we're going to need to think of the policies by which we will slaughter all the excess people. I know what side I'm on. I'd rather start exploring space now and find a way to allow people to exist and procreate according to their own will.
What resources do you think Mars lacks other than a thick oxygen rich atmosphere?
What we would learn from trying to sustain life on Mars could be the key to learning how to sustain life on Earth. What we learn about what kind of impact we can have on the atmosphere on Mars could solve the dispute about how much of an impact we're having on the atmosphere on Earth.
People have said we need to take care of Earth instead of finding another planet to ruin. I think we learn how to fix our own planet by learning how to make Mars work for us.
This is not a 10 year plan. This is a 100-500 year plan. I know people typically don't think in terms of 100-500 years, but we need to start now so that 500 years from now we're not trying to figure out how to support 35 billion people on this one planet.
The only way to allow humanity to expand naturally is to go into space. Otherwise, as Mantooth stated, we're going to need to think of the policies by which we will slaughter all the excess people. I know what side I'm on. I'd rather start exploring space now and find a way to allow people to exist and procreate according to their own will.
There's this thing called research which is the primary driving force behind all things science that are trying to answer that and many other questions.
RIGHT NOW going to Mars isn't terribly feasible or convenient, but the future will never come, I guess. Going to Mars or any other celestial body will be impossible if no one tries.
7StraightIsGreat
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My biggest problem with the pro-space argument is that people will tell you how important the research is and how groundbreaking the findings can be. While I don't dispute that, I find it odd that they tend to turn a blind eye to the fact that exploring the uncharted depths of our own planet could yield just as interesting, and quite possibly even more groundbreaking findings than what is in outer space.
In other words, if researching and exploring unknown areas is such an important thing, isn't making outer space our top priority a little back asswards considering how much exploration opportunities still currently exist on this planet?
In other words, if researching and exploring unknown areas is such an important thing, isn't making outer space our top priority a little back asswards considering how much exploration opportunities still currently exist on this planet?
A valid point but I see absolutely no reason they both cannot be doen simultaneously.
7StraightIsGreat
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Because we do not have unlimited funding for these types of programs.
That's why we go to church. Keep your dirty temporal hands off my potential future kingdom.