lindsey......dumb

[Stifle Tower]

I agree that in hindsight Lindsay screwed up, but I'm willing to bet that had we extended Hayward for $13 mil/per last season, this board would have exploded with complaints of Lindsay bidding against himself and upset fans claiming that there is no way Hayward would have been offered that much as an RFA.

Yep. There wasn't one fan who said they believed Hayward should get more than Favors. And I'll bet he was asking for more than $13M and likely with the 7.5% increase. If he was asking $14M with 7.5% increases, his contract value would actually be pretty close to his offer sheet from Charlotte (within about $1M).

 

[Stifle Tower]

Signing Hayward to max contract most likely means Alec Burks will be gone next year. They can now only keep Enes Kanter or Alec Burks next year and not both. The Hayward signing set a precedence for both Burks and Kanter getting max contracts or close to max. It's not good to reward someone that didn't deserve it and had an awful year. The reason I think Burks will be the one leaving is because we already have Hayward and Exum and can't afford to play a bench player a max or close to max contract.

Why?
The cap is at $63M but the luxury tax is at $76.8M. You can bet both will increase each year, but just for the sake of argument, assume the tax stays the same. Let's also assume Favors'-type money for Kanter an Burks. I'm not advocating $12M for each, just putting those totals in for placeholders. This is just a "quick and dirty" calculation. as many of the amounts are estimations. Add in $500K for a 13th salary and the Jazz are still comfortably under the tax.

What Hayward's contract DOES do, however, is make it unlikely the Jazz sign a significant free agent - unless Burks or Kanter aren't retained. With tax increases, Jazz can probably also re-sign Burke and Gobert. It doesn't get tricky until Favors and Hayward are eligible for their next, significantly higher deals.

[TD="class: xl70"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"] 2015/16[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]D. Favors[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"] $ 12,000,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]E. Kanter[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"] $ 12,000,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]G. Hayward[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"] $ 15,466,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]T. Burke[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"] $ 2,658,240[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]A. Burks[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"] $ 12,000,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]J. Evans[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"] $ 2,500,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]R. Gobert[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"] $ 1,175,880[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]S. Novak[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"] $ 3,600,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]D. Exum[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73"] $ 3,500,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]R. Hood[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73"] $ 1,400,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]R. Neto[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73"] $ 500,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"]2015 - #10 Pick[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73"] $ 2,000,000[/TD]

[TD="class: xl69"] Total Salaries[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"] $ 68,800,120[/TD]

 

[addictionary]

No bad intentions I'm sure, but this contract-wall thingie sure does exist to my perception. Favors is one of the best guys on the court character-wise, but you signed him and he let the defense fall down quite a bit. So if you signed Gordon, he would not put up those stats probably. But most probably.

 

[Stifle Tower]

No bad intentions I'm sure, but this Corbin-wall thingie sure does exist to my perception. Favors is one of the best guys on the court character-wise, but you signed him and he let the defense fall down quite a bit. So if you signed Gordon, he would not put up those stats probably. But most probably.

Fixed.
I think it's clear the players were affected by the lack of support from the front office in terms of personnel, which led to the early losing. They righted the ship a bit and then just flat out quit on Ty the last 2 months. It's hard to be motivated when everywhere you go you hear the word, "tank." I have no doubts Hayward's shooting percentages will increase.

 

[gomretat]

Signing Hayward to max contract most likely means Alec Burks will be gone next year. They can now only keep Enes Kanter or Alec Burks next year and not both. The Hayward signing set a precedence for both Burks and Kanter getting max contracts or close to max. It's not good to reward someone that didn't deserve it and had an awful year. The reason I think Burks will be the one leaving is because we already have Hayward and Exum and can't afford to play a bench player a max or close to max contract.

Not really. The big issue with GH is if we had given him a 5 year deal. That messes us up. I would not be surprised if that was what the ask was the GH camp to the Jazz. The max is too much for GH but the Jazz have the flexibilty to get it done without doing a lot of damage since they stay at 4 years.

 

[fishonjazz]

I really like Burks at the end of last season.



Gun to my head, I'm picking Burks over Hayward, no matter the cost.

Monica

 

[Borat]

Well, LA just got a player much better than Novak on an expiring contract and netted a first round pick in the process, while DL was busy taking on 7.2 mil non expiring contract of a pathetic scrub Novak for just 2nd rounder. The title of this thread is making more and more sense.

 

[mellow]

Last year jazz will have cap space to obsorb anything, and it looks like nothing is happening. We obviously don't know the behind the scenes details, and it takes two willing parties to make a deal so I'm going to cut Lindsey some slack on this. His grade still stands at a C in my book.

 

[Borat]

Last year jazz will have cap space to obsorb anything, and it looks like nothing is happening. We obviously don't know the behind the scenes details, and it takes two willing parties to make a deal so I'm going to cut Lindsey some slack on this. His grade still stands at a C in my book.

If his connections are only good enough to pick up 2nd round pick for 7.2 mil and take on two year contract of a pathetic scrub, then we are in big trouble

 

[Stifle Tower]

Well, LA just got a player much better than Novak on an expiring contract and netted a first round pick in the process, while DL was busy taking on 7.2 mil non expiring contract of a pathetic scrub Novak for just 2nd rounder. The title of this thread is making more and more sense.

Where does Lin fit? Does he start over Burke or do you sit Exum for his rookie season?
Also, LA is paying Lin $15M PLUS sending cash to Houston.
IIRC, last year DL bought an additional first for under $3M.

Who's the dumb one? The guy picking up Lin for $15M+ or the one who see a roster full of talent, a *&^% load of picks coming up and nowhere to put them.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Where does Lin fit? Does he start over Burke or do you sit Exum for his rookie season?
Also, LA is paying Lin $15M PLUS sending cash to Houston.
IIRC, last year DL bought an additional first for under $3M.

Who's the dumb one? The guy picking up Lin for $15M+ or the one who see a roster full of talent, a *&^% load of picks coming up and nowhere to put them.

I would have been fine with Lin and assets if the Jazz had drafted Aaron Gordon or Noah Vonleh. As soon as they drafted Exum at 5 I realized that one was off the table. They're not going to do anything to stunt his growth. For all intents and purposes, this is Dante Exum's team. They a rebuilding it around him. Lin simply doesn't fit that narrative.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Where does Lin fit? Does he start over Burke or do you sit Exum for his rookie season?
Also, LA is paying Lin $15M PLUS sending cash to Houston.
IIRC, last year DL bought an additional first for under $3M.

Who's the dumb one? The guy picking up Lin for $15M+ or the one who see a roster full of talent, a *&^% load of picks coming up and nowhere to put them.

I wasn't thrilled with the Novak deal either but the Lin deal didn't fit with us. He's paid too much and is too good of a player to do nothing. A pick can be had for less.

The Thornton deal would have been good had we decided not to resign Hayward.