Lock Her Up?

[Gameface]

 

[Red]

First of all, Mr. Red, it is a weak mind who swallows b.s. put out by the CIA and intelligence apparatus.

Fair enough, Eenie-Meenie, maybe I had that dig coming. Here's what my weak mind chooses to believe. It makes much more sense to me, and I'll let it go at that.

(The text at this NPR link is different then the audio report):



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-conspiracy-theory-explained-fox-news-hannity

Bush 41 was not a major operative in JFK's assassination, but one of many CIA agents who were on the scene, managing the operation

Yes, if you were alive and of age, you remember where you were when you learned that JFK had been killed. I certainly do. I don't know if Oswald was the only shooter that day, or not. But most Americans who lived through that time do believe a conspiracy was involved. I lean that way myself, in general, not up to speed on the Bush 41 angle, I bet I'd doubt that one, but the JFK murder is one of the few conspiracy theories of the modern era that I don't dismiss. I might throw the RFK murder in there too. I've read about it quite a bit myself, but not to the extent some have.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Having had a top secret clearance for 30 years and having worked in the state department as well as the military, I can tell you know nothing but what the media tells you. It's not what you think it is. balh blah im idiot blah blah. i knpow better then comey and fbi blah blah derp blah blah dutch is stoppid. depr derp blah blah

I leave you with this then!






WOW YOU LOOK STUPID NOW DONT YOU!

checkmate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[babe]

And for anyone who's concerned... Hillary is being actively investigated for the emails and for Uranium One

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/donald-trump-don-mcgahn-clinton-comey/index.html

So the acting AG and a supportive White House are going to get to the bottom of the allegations.

Let's just say that if those of you who "know" she's guilty (lookin' at you lyin' @babe) well if you think you know how to gather evidence and it's all there for the finding, then I suppose we'll see charges brought against her.

And if she is guilty I hope she gets charged, convicted and spends the rest of her life in prison.

If she doesn't get charged, well, it'll be because there is no evidence of a crime and for all your BS about knowing things that you don't and can't know, you were just being dishonest. Dishonest with yourself first, and then with us.

You don't know me, what I know or what I can know.

This forum is not a court of law, and I don't think you're a good judge, or even a decent conversationalist. But what do I know. I don't even want to know you.

Donald Trump contributed maybe over a hundred thousand dollars to the Clintons in the "line" of his duty to our establishment movers and shakers or whatever he thought he needed to do to get along with them. He called them and told them before he publicly announced his running for Pres......yes, maybe I don't know that, but it was out in the webz somehow, and he's never tried to refute it. He was bein' a good ol' boy.

I believe DJT told AG Sessions not to go after Hillary. imo, he thought that would be divisive, and he hoped the schtick about Resistance would just sink into the Washington boggy bottoms somehow. I believe it's other Republicans who have carried that torch.... but yes, if The Resistance really won't fade out, he might put the pressure on Hillary a bit. I have heard that she's planning to run for Pres again starting about now, so I'm sure there are some folks maybe even Trump now who will talk about that some more.

If things work out per usual politics, I don't think anything will be "proven" or settled. Whatever you see in the news is gonna just be political. Not factual.

I think jails are generally a waste of time, a waste of human beings, and a waste of taxpayer funds. I have never been a big "Lock Her Up" enthusiast. I do think we need to keep politicians on a short lease, and that breaking the law should end their public careers. I believe that without her medical support team, she'd be rolling around some WalMart SuperCenter in her fancy little motorized wheelchair, waiting for a cabbie to find her and take her home. God only knows where Bill would be.

And, no, I don't believe you care whether she did break laws, cause our spies to be caught, our soldiers killed, or our national politics prostituted. It's the brave new world you care for and love.

 

[Getting Traded]

Fair enough, Eenie-Meenie, maybe I had that dig coming. Here's what my weak mind chooses to believe. It makes much more sense to me, and I'll let it go at that.

(The text at this NPR link is different then the audio report):



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-conspiracy-theory-explained-fox-news-hannity



Yes, if you were alive and of age, you remember where you were when you learned that JFK had been killed. I certainly do. I don't know if Oswald was the only shooter that day, or not. But most Americans who lived through that time do believe a conspiracy was involved. I lean that way myself, in general, not up to speed on the Bush 41 angle, I bet I'd doubt that one, but the JFK murder is one of the few conspiracy theories of the modern era that I don't dismiss. I might throw the RFK murder in there too. I've read about it quite a bit myself, but not to the extent some have.

I was in high school that day, in chemistry class.

You're right about RFK, but I guess you don't believe it's significant that Bush 41 was staying in Dallas that day. It is pretty much a consensus view that Bush 41 was already in the CIA in 1963, and even earlier as his ships which were part of his oil drilling company were alerted to support the Bay of Pigs operation, which as you know was a dismal failure. If you read Howard Hunt's "Give Us This Day," you will learn how much the CIA hated JFK after the Bay of Pigs. The CIA, wrote Hunt who helped orchestrate the Bay of Pigs, blamed JFK for failing to allow a second flight over Cuba of CIA B-25 bombers to wipe out the Cuban Air Force, which the first flight failed to do. Kennedy, however, blamed the CIA, and fired Dulles, Cabell, and Bissell, the top three CIA officials. Dulles as you probably recall was on the Warren Commission.

How many shooters, no one is sure, but there were multiple shooters. Some sources claim as many as seven.

 

[babe]

I find E-M's comments surprising, from the context of my impressions of his views in times past. I have never read through the JFK/RFK assassination books or much of the speculative theories..... not much.... just enough to be aware that there are some varied offerings.

I was pretty sure it was not a good day for us. I was pretty sure someone did it for more than marginal personal animosities.... it had to be a paid professional.....it was an informed and planned act that required more information than any ordinary citizen or foreign agent could have..... time, route, access, equipment. No, I didn't know anything, actually. I just didn't think it was an easy thing to do. I had already become a skeptic of newspapers and TV news.

I've been thinking of doing a conspiracy-theory thread along the lines of an analytical scientist/scholar's ideas of what it would take to actually stage a public event for mass public management purposes.... how to manage the personnel, how to limit the information that could be found out if investigated..... sorta like what it would take to do something significant, without being found out.

a lot of the fare available in the line of "conspiracy theories" are so speculative, and so misinformed, I wonder if there is not some kind of organized political agenda behind launching them and maintaining them as tools for misdirecting the common folk.....

bouncing balls thrown out to keep us from seeing what is really being done.....

One thing I am curious about is the allegation that the CIA under Dulles invented the "conspiracy theory" slur as a public management tool for keeping us afraid to talk about stuff that just doesn't make sense in our public/government life. Like why we would bring former Nazi scientists here and give them jobs building our military equipment..... planes, rockets, bombs....

My father worked in an industry full of them. I worked for at least one myself, years ago..... when I first got a job.

 

[Deleted member 365]

And Thriller, you are out of your league in commenting on this subject to me.

You couldn't be more right! I am clearly out of my league when commenting about how the CIA and Bush assassinated Kennedy and how Seth Rich was assassinated to cover up Hillary's dirty laundry.

 

[Getting Traded]

You couldn't be more right! I am clearly out of my league when commenting about how the CIA and Bush assassinated Kennedy and how Seth Rich was assassinated to cover up Hillary's dirty laundry.

Bush DID NOT assassinate JFK. He was simply a small part of a large-scale CIA managed operation. And so far as Rich, Assange as much admitted he was his informant; listen to what he says, not the media, because it's coming from the horse's mouth. The Russian collusion with Trump is disinformation.

 

[Getting Traded]

I find E-M's comments surprising, from the context of my impressions of his views in times past. I have never read through the JFK/RFK assassination books or much of the speculative theories..... not much.... just enough to be aware that there are some varied offerings.

I was pretty sure it was not a good day for us. I was pretty sure someone did it for more than marginal personal animosities.... it had to be a paid professional.....it was an informed and planned act that required more information than any ordinary citizen or foreign agent could have..... time, route, access, equipment. No, I didn't know anything, actually. I just didn't think it was an easy thing to do. I had already become a skeptic of newspapers and TV news.

I've been thinking of doing a conspiracy-theory thread along the lines of an analytical scientist/scholar's ideas of what it would take to actually stage a public event for mass public management purposes.... how to manage the personnel, how to limit the information that could be found out if investigated..... sorta like what it would take to do something significant, without being found out.

a lot of the fare available in the line of "conspiracy theories" are so speculative, and so misinformed, I wonder if there is not some kind of organized political agenda behind launching them and maintaining them as tools for misdirecting the common folk.....

bouncing balls thrown out to keep us from seeing what is really being done.....

One thing I am curious about is the allegation that the CIA under Dulles invented the "conspiracy theory" slur as a public management tool for keeping us afraid to talk about stuff that just doesn't make sense in our public/government life. Like why we would bring former Nazi scientists here and give them jobs building our military equipment..... planes, rockets, bombs....

My father worked in an industry full of them. I worked for at least one myself, years ago..... when I first got a job.

You're right about the Germans. In fact, the Dulles brothers worked for the law firm Sullivan & Cromwell which had close ties to Germany and they were responsible for the pardoning of many high-level Nazis like Wernher Von Braun, though I don't know how culpable Von Braun was or if he had anything to do with the Holocaust.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Bush DID NOT assassinate JFK. He was simply a small part of a large-scale CIA managed operation. And so far as Rich, Assange as much admitted he was his informant; listen to what he says, not the media, because it's coming from the horse's mouth. The Russian collusion with Trump is disinformation.

 

[Deleted member 365]

You're right about the Germans. In fact, the Dulles brothers worked for the law firm Sullivan & Cromwell which had close ties to Germany and they were responsible for the pardoning of many high-level Nazis like Wernher Von Braun, though I don't know how culpable Von Braun was or if he had anything to do with the Holocaust.

I thought your ilk didn’t believe in the Holocaust?

 

[Deleted member 365]

I was in high school that day, in chemistry class.

You're right about RFK, but I guess you don't believe it's significant that Bush 41 was staying in Dallas that day. It is pretty much a consensus view that Bush 41 was already in the CIA in 1963, and even earlier as his ships which were part of his oil drilling company were alerted to support the Bay of Pigs operation, which as you know was a dismal failure. If you read Howard Hunt's "Give Us This Day," you will learn how much the CIA hated JFK after the Bay of Pigs. The CIA, wrote Hunt who helped orchestrate the Bay of Pigs, blamed JFK for failing to allow a second flight over Cuba of CIA B-25 bombers to wipe out the Cuban Air Force, which the first flight failed to do. Kennedy, however, blamed the CIA, and fired Dulles, Cabell, and Bissell, the top three CIA officials. Dulles as you probably recall was on the Warren Commission.

How many shooters, no one is sure, but there were multiple shooters. Some sources claim as many as seven.

Wait. Howard Hunt. Where have I heard that name before? I recently finished reading “Nixon: A Life.” Your Howard Hunt wouldn’t be Thee Howard Hunt, one of Nixon’s plumbers? You know, the fine outstanding former cia officer who was a known crackpot even within the Nixon administration (He and Liddy were Nixon’s Beavis and Butthead). Hunt, if I remember correctly, had a fetish with knives and disguises so much that th CIA got rid of him. Hunt was dirty enough to break into Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrists office to try and smear Ellsberg. Hunt was later one of the plumbers arrested at Watergate. Fine character.

Oh yes, definitely. Let’s trust this dirt bag. Very credible.

Again, this is why you can’t trust morons like Eenie, Babe, and Dutch. They take the worst information from the worst sources and then whine about how few believe them and how the rest of us have been brainwashed into believing in facts rather than their crackpot conspiracies.