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Locke and DX Givony podcast

Borat said:
Givony actually watched games Kanter played in HS and said he did not dominate against mid-major competition at best. This is the same report that came from nbadraft.net "Played one year of high school ball at Stoneridge Prep in Simi Valley, California and was somewhat inconsistent." In other words, out of HS Kanter was not a great prospect at all. Yet, he had a great HS all star type game - Nike Summit. And that's all we really have on the guy. He never got any minutes in his crappy Euro league at 17 years old, and did well in juniors in Europe, as do many other young kids we never heard of. One that we did hear of was Koufos, who put up even better numbers than Kanter did. Enes is also middle of the pack athletically (https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Analyzing-the-NBA-Combine-Athletic-Testing-Results-3728/). After his underwhelming HS record and 1 great Summit all-star game, he actually couldn't even practice with the team this year, not to mention play games and develop. I just don't see all the excitement around this guy that others are seeing who think he will be the cornerstone of the franchise. We have one great all star game against a whole year of underwhelming HS performance against weak HSs. Then missed a year of ball all together. Is that enough to make the guy a top prospect? I am with Givony on this one.
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He also played on his national team's tournaments and dominated there as well. Including some pretty good games against Jonas V.
 
Kanter was supposed to have worked out directly against T. Thompson and Marcus Morris today. Interesting to see if any tidbits leak out.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Would you consider Nowitzki to be athletic? How about Boozer? I don't think you can say either of them are beast specimens.
I think you need a unique combination of athletic ability and skills to succeed in the NBA.
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You are right. I should have notetd when everyone is saying "he has all the skills" it would need to be skills + athleticsm as you note. So when watching D Favors against NBA players show some of the athleticsm, I'm convinced on that half of the equation. Watching Kanter in Nike Hoop summit video i'm convinced he has the skills - half of the equation.

I would consider Nowitski average athletically with EXCEPTIONAL shooting skill. Boozer is better athlete than Dirk but not as good of a shooter... Anohter sample was watching Shawn Marion at the Rocky Mnt Review. Against near-NBA players, he was so much man among boys, it was very clear of his skills. I just wish it was easy enough like that with Kanter. Maybe it is if I was privy to some workouts. But thus far, I think he's big risk.
 
Locke went robot in that introduction.

Givony has not been a fan of Kanter. Never will be. Does that make him biased in his comments? Maybe but his comments aren't off base.

I posted Motiejunas' highlights in some other thread, and I think he would be a great value pick at 12 if we don't draft a big man with 3.
 
Draft Express is the only mock to have Kanter at 6. Are the mock drafts supposed to be who they would take, or what the teams would take???
 
Jazz4ever said:
Here is Givony's defensive reel on Kanter. Not sure how much stock to put in it being a high school game. We don't know the score, his team could have been winning by 30 points and even in the NBA you see guys take plays off then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu96EoByub8
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How does this NOT show an agenda with Givony? How can you take the opposite of a highlight reel and give it anymore credence than a highlight reel. I'm sure, if he wanted to, he could have put together a highlight reel that made Kanter look like a defensive monster.

From what I've seen, I'd call Kanter a slightly below average defender (not bad, just not an 'average' NBA PF/C). However, he does have the tools and desire and I believe he'll easily become average. He's a great scorer and an elite rebounder.
 
PKM said:
How does this NOT show an agenda with Givony? How can you take the opposite of a highlight reel and give it anymore credence than a highlight reel. I'm sure, if he wanted to, he could have put together a highlight reel that made Kanter look like a defensive monster.

From what I've seen, I'd call Kanter a slightly below average defender (not bad, just not an 'average' NBA PF/C). However, he does have the tools and desire and I believe he'll easily become average. He's a great scorer and an elite rebounder.
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There are a couple highlights in that defensive reel too. Are you implying he left out some fabulous blocks or something? I doubt it.
 
To be honest, I probably just stopped watching too soon. I watched a couple minutes and, from what I saw, assumed the rest to be the same. My bad.
 
prodigy said:
If we draft a big man i'd take Biyombo over Kanter in a heartbeat, just not at #3
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This is what I keep coming back to. If KOC really is amazing at knowing who everyone else is drafting on draft night, he should know where Biyombo will go and trade with that team or swoop in beforehand (#7, Omri Casspi, future 1st [probably protected to some degree] or Whitesides).

There is no player I have anywhere near 100% confidence in. Biyombo probably comes in second after Irving for me and even he has plenty of ?s.
 
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