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orangello
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Who's Nate Duncan?
enchilada_style
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Keep it up Corbin.
Someone seems to have trouble reading and comprehending posts it seems.
I have never said I think Ty is a fantastic basketball mind nor that he should continue on ad infinitum as HC of the team.
Nor have I said he is terrible and should be canned or spout Corbin hate constantly like many of you posters.
Groupthink, bandwagons, and pitchforks with torches are not a good combination imo.
I don't see things the way you do and think it's absurd to ooze the Corbin disdain that has supersaturated your body.
I think almost any other NBA coach option would have had very close to the same results Corbin has had given the situations he was put in.
The only coach I actually wanted and saw as a good option was Hornacek but timing and the situation didn't work out that way.
I honestly don't see any other coaches out there that are the obvious choice to take the Jazz to "the promised land", so I see now reason to disrespect Corbin or throw him to the curb. I also think many people out of blind passion to fire Corbin refuse to see any of the good he does for the team or the players.
Continue to say what you want, but I think the constant calling for Corbin to be fired or just out of here is pretty pathetic.
green
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Think about this if you are a coach looking for a HC position (and by the way, I think we hire Mike Longabardi). You have this talent coming in:
Burke, Neto
Hayward, Burks
Nuthin
Favors, Kanter
Gobert
Plus a top 10 pick and another pick this year, probably another top 10 pick next year, and then two picks in '17.
This team will is a very good opportunity for a young coach to come in and make his mark. There is defensive potential, up-tempo potential, high pick potential. You could really come in and mold this team into something great. Throw in the fact that the Jazz won't fire you...(which is why Shaka isn't leaving VCU. He is guaranteed money forever). Not a bad situation for a young guy at all.
Burke, Neto
Hayward, Burks
Nuthin
Favors, Kanter
Gobert
Plus a top 10 pick and another pick this year, probably another top 10 pick next year, and then two picks in '17.
This team will is a very good opportunity for a young coach to come in and make his mark. There is defensive potential, up-tempo potential, high pick potential. You could really come in and mold this team into something great. Throw in the fact that the Jazz won't fire you...(which is why Shaka isn't leaving VCU. He is guaranteed money forever). Not a bad situation for a young guy at all.
green
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Good he has done for the team?
There is no excuse or reason to bring Corbin back. This team QUIT on him. They have tuned him out, and aren't even trying anymore. Why would anyone want him back? It makes no sense...unless you are pushing an agenda.
I don't care how good or bad of a coach Corbin is. His players have QUIT on him. You can't bring him back. It's too late. That ship has sailed.
Stifle Tower
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You forgot Evans.
And the high second pick can't be discounted either. That's certainly a chance to add some depth. Plus the Jazz are in position to add 1-2 solid FA's. They really don't have tax concerns until THIS year's draft class comes off their rookie deals. Well, I guess if Burke and Gobert were to explode, someone might have to go. But that's more than enough time to bring in some veteran help, likely a wing and one other, depending on how the draft goes. I agree; it should be an attractive opportunity for a coach. Still holding to my line that it will be Brad Jones.
Oh, and for the record, I have never ONCE called for Corbin to be fired this year. I challenge anyone to find a post that says otherwise.
I think the end of the season will change attitudes significantly. Players are frustrated with losing right now, but when the season is over, they will see a couple of very good young draft picks, a free agent or two, the departure of a few old vets, and maybe even a coaching change. Even the guys who are most frustrated will see the potential of the team, realize how much they learned this year, and suddenly become very optimistic.
The future is bright, and they will see it.
The future is bright, and they will see it.
jimmy eat jazz
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Just because some of us think Corbin has not demonstrated that he can be a winning coach and are advocating that he not be resigned does not necessarily mean that we have succumbed to groupthink, have hopped on the bandwagon, or are after Corbin with torches.
Sometimes, the evidence is so compelling, that it leads naturally to an informed consensus of opinion.
3.5 year into it, we have more than enough data points to reach an informed decision as to whether Corbin merits an extension.
I don't have blind hatred for Corbin, and I admit to not being aware of ALL the good things he does for his players. BUT, I can see plainly, and as the statistics indicate, Corbin has not changed the defensive culture and performance of this team (which the FO said at the beginning of the season would be the single most important thing he'd be evaluated on) and he is not able to get this team to play above its relative skill level on a consistent basis. The Jazz are playing worse at the end of the season than they were mid-way through it. The Jazz, in sum, are performing worse that the sum of their component parts. Corbin cannot escape the blame for this; he has not met the goals set for him at the beginning of the season by the FO; and he needs to be held accountable. I like the guy, and I feel for him, but he is not a top tier, or even a middle tier, NBA coach. It's time for him to go.
And you think they quit because of what specifically? We knew the Jazz would suck this year, the Jazz knew they would suck this year.
Most of the games we lose because our bench sucks.
Against the Knicks we were in the game until Favors left the game with 4 mins left in the 3rd qtr, then they were down by around 10 when he came back. They lost by around 10.
I'm not seeing this from your perspective obviously. I don't think they have quit. I see they are discouraged at times.
I also see this as something that can be solved by a player or two from the draft, and a free agent or two.... and a bench that does not suck.
As to Corbin staying or going, I'm right in the middle. I don't hate him and want him gone. I won't cry if he stays. I also hope the Jazz FO explores all other coaching candidates they can to get a coach that can handle teaching, motivating, x's and o's, defense, and offense.
People talk about thibs and his amazing defense, yes he has a good defensive team. His team sucks offensively and if in the Western Conference they would not make the playoffs. Even with a good scheme and good defense you still need good players and the ability to score. What he needs is to get Rose back at full strength, and someone to fill deng's role.
What the Jazz need are good players who try all the time, and not just on one side of the ball, or part of the game. You can coach something all you want, if the players can't or don't do it it's not pretty. Is that the coaches fault or the players fault? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?