Locker room trouble?

[b_line]

At the high school level? Yes. At the NBA level? No. The good NBA teams can hide the defensively deficient if they have some stellar defenders (bulls hide boozer with noah, etc.). Good defenders at the NBA level are a step quicker than the offensive threat, with a strong and long frame, quick and responsive knees, great lateral quickness, a jump in their step, a large wingspan/ standing reach, and loose hips that allow them to dip or turn on a dime. As for god-given ability to defend, Jabari only has a large frame and wingspan--like Kanter. Sure, Jabari can become a better defender than he is now with learning his spots, knowing and trusting his team, and applying effort, but he'll never be able to fake the body he doesn't have, and neither will Kanter.

Drafting Parker makes our starting line:

Burke --incredibly weak defender
Hayward --good size and quickness, but can still get burned by those w/ quick first step. Doesn't help the helper.
Parker -- slow to react. doesn't have the ability to contain anyone, which means Melo, Durant, LebRon, etc. will light us up.
Kanter-- see Jabari. Has gotten a lot better at knowing when to rotate, and isn't taking possessions off, but has the kind of slowness that is blood in the water for faster players, and is constantly exposed because NO ONE on our team helps the helper (the guy who rotates to the leak, which is often Kanter so Favors can protect the rim).
Favors-- is really just an above average defender at this point. He has great length, and body for defense, but is still allowing just 1 point less than Kanter is per 10 games.


If we draft Jabari, we will need to bench Trey and possibly Kanter, or trade for better defenders so there is some kind of balance on the team. I don't think most people realize how god awful of a defender Trey Burke is. He is where most of the leaks occur from. Kid makes Al Jefferson look like DPOY, but people don't comment on it because it's not always at the rim, so it's less noticeable.

What if we started Jabari at the four and went small?

Burke
Burks
Hayward
Jabari
Favors

 

[Doublea]

What if we started Jabari at the four and went small?

Burke
Burks
Hayward
Jabari
Favors

I'd love to see that lineup do some work... It looks really good offensively, good spacing, ball movement. Hopefully a new coach would be able to make their defense work good too.

 

[gregbroncs]

I stand corrected. I remember many times where we lost games because of the bench, but according to the stats the bench is average. It is the starters that lose the games for us. It has as much to do with their offense as it does their defense.

It might be the right move to hire a different coach.
Don't be surprised though when it looks different, but the results are much the same.
A new system for players that can't/wont run the current system may end up in the same spot.

What system? I don't see much of an offensive or defensive system to be ran. It's all isolation on offense. Either Burke, Hayward or Burks go one on one with a possible dish at the end. Or they drop it to the post for that player to try and do something. No cuts once the post player gets it.

 

[Getting Traded]

I think almost any other NBA coach option would have had very close to the same results Corbin has had given the situations he was put in.

Give me a break ...

 

[Stoked]

I do agree with this. I don't think we are much better next year. This draft is full of potential...but the only player that can come in and lift a franchise immediately is probably Parker. Everyone else will be amazing...in a couple of years.

I think the Jazz can be 20 games better next year.

Players like Lucas and Beidrins move out.
New coaching staff
2 1st round picks
Free Agency to retool the bench.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Give me a break ...

I'm sure you think you could have done better with all your life experience and all.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I think the Jazz can be 20 games better next year.

Players like Lucas and Beidrins move out.
New coaching staff
2 1st round picks
Free Agency to retool the bench.

FYI, Lucas is on the payroll next year. Either he sits the bench and fights with people at the end of blowout games, or he gets bought out.

 

[green]

I think the Jazz can be 20 games better next year.

Players like Lucas and Beidrins move out.
New coaching staff
2 1st round picks
Free Agency to retool the bench.

They can be. The question is "does the FO want them to be?"

 

[Zulu]

I'm sure you think you could have done better with all your life experience and all.

Thought JLIII contract is not guaranteed for next year!!!

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm sure you think you could have done better with all your life experience and all.

We have lost like 16 of our last 18 and have been almost 100 percent healthy.

The bucks beat us by like 20 something

The only teams we beat were the magic and the 76ers...... the magic with desperation 3 (and we were at home for that game) and sixers was a close call as well.

Read all that again...... im certain I could achieve those results if i was coaching

 

[franklin]

We have lost like 16 of our last 18 and have been almost 100 percent healthy.

The bucks beat us by like 20 something

The only teams we beat were the magic and the 76ers...... the magic with desperation 3 (and we were at home for that game) and sixers was a close call as well.

Read all that again...... im certain I could achieve those results if i was coaching

This kind of cherry picking is inviting a Corbin>Sloan alt. With the Sloan worship here as high as possible....

 

[orangello]

We have lost like 16 of our last 18 and have been almost 100 percent healthy.

The bucks beat us by like 20 something

The only teams we beat were the magic and the 76ers...... the magic with desperation 3 (and we were at home for that game) and sixers was a close call as well.

Read all that again...... im certain I could achieve those results if i was coaching

I <3 fish!

Sent from the JazzFanz app

 

[Stoked]

They can be. The question is "does the FO want them to be?"

I certainly think that they do. I feel that this was a one and done type of year. The Jazz may not be a playoff team next year but they will be a 9th or 10th seed with 40ish wins.

 

[Stoked]

This kind of cherry picking is inviting a Corbin>Sloan alt. With the Sloan worship here as high as possible....

Most I have seen posted about Sloan over the last 2 years is that Sloan's past his prime and no longer the right choice going forward. That the game has passed him by.

 

[fishonjazz]

This kind of cherry picking is inviting a Corbin>Sloan alt. With the Sloan worship here as high as possible....

Cherry picking? Sure it is.

I still think i could have coached this team to those 2 wins against horrible team though so what i think what i said is still true

 

[jope]

Team Hayward vs. Team Jefferson.
They should battle this out via three point shooting contest.

how about via a hair-growing contest

 

[One Brow]

I agree with this...and it also makes me think that Stockton could be a good coach as well. Hornacek and Stockton are both very similar in that they both weren't very athletic but were always smarter than their opponents and figured out ways to gain an advantage over their opponents despite being at a physical disadvantage.

Stockton was pretty smart, but was also a great athlete.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I do agree with this. I don't think we are much better next year. This draft is full of potential...but the only player that can come in and lift a franchise immediately is probably Parker. Everyone else will be amazing...in a couple of years.

While I think making the playoffs may be difficult, I do think the Jazz will be a LOT better next season.
1. Burks role was very limited early on.
2. Took 20% of the season before Jazz had even NBA fringe PG's.
3. Hayward having his worst season. Gordon with even an "average" season probably adds 5 wins to our total this year.
4. New coach. Regardless of whether Corbin is or is not competent, it's clear the team is not responding to him and has just given up. Add 5 wins just by having the team compete every game.
5. Continued growth of young players.
6. Better bench
7. FA's. Jazz WILL have money to spend on 1-2 FA's. I expect DL to bring in a starter to replace Williams or Jefferson. Maybe even both, with the draft pick(s) coming off the bench.

I expect the Jazz to be "close enough" to .500 next season. Probably not good enough for the playoffs (8 WC playoff teams this season will be around .600 - 48/49 wins). So another lottery year next season, but in the 13/14 range.

 

[orangello]

While I think making the playoffs may be difficult, I do think the Jazz will be a LOT better next season.
1. Burks role was very limited early on.
2. Took 20% of the season before Jazz had even NBA fringe PG's.
3. Hayward having his worst season. Gordon with even an "average" season probably adds 5 wins to our total this year.
4. New coach. Regardless of whether Corbin is or is not competent, it's clear the team is not responding to him and has just given up. Add 5 wins just by having the team compete every game.
5. Continued growth of young players.
6. Better bench
7. FA's. Jazz WILL have money to spend on 1-2 FA's. I expect DL to bring in a starter to replace Williams or Jefferson. Maybe even both, with the draft pick(s) coming off the bench.

I expect the Jazz to be "close enough" to .500 next season. Probably not good enough for the playoffs (8 WC playoff teams this season will be around .600 - 48/49 wins). So another lottery year next season, but in the 13/14 range.

I can see all of that being true. My very early guess is around 35 to 38 wins next year.

Coaching is the biggest factor IMO. The right coach can get this team above .500 next season.

 

[franklin]

Someone seems to have trouble reading and comprehending posts it seems.

I have never said I think Ty is a fantastic basketball mind nor that he should continue on ad infinitum as HC of the team.

Nor have I said he is terrible and should be canned or spout Corbin hate constantly like many of you posters.

Groupthink, bandwagons, and pitchforks with torches are not a good combination imo.

I don't see things the way you do and think it's absurd to ooze the Corbin disdain that has supersaturated your body.

I think almost any other NBA coach option would have had very close to the same results Corbin has had given the situations he was put in.
The only coach I actually wanted and saw as a good option was Hornacek but timing and the situation didn't work out that way.
I honestly don't see any other coaches out there that are the obvious choice to take the Jazz to "the promised land", so I see now reason to disrespect Corbin or throw him to the curb. I also think many people out of blind passion to fire Corbin refuse to see any of the good he does for the team or the players.

Continue to say what you want, but I think the constant calling for Corbin to be fired or just out of here is pretty pathetic.

Triangleman, you have to understand the mentality behind the pitchfork crowd. These fans don't know the first thing about x's and o's, idolize good coaches as some sort of gods who work miracles to cover up player deficiencies, while overvaluing the talent on their team and downplaying the greatness of the players under these great coaches -- Thibs has always had elite defenders yet they give Thibs all the credit and none to the players...

I get why the outrage, I do, even if it is all baseless, disproved, hyperbolic nonsense. When you place coaches on that high of a pedestal you're going to loathe any result that doesn't live up to your fantastic expectations, no matter how outlandish they are. That's exactly what happened with Corbin.