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Locker room trouble?

green said:
Our bench sucks...that same bench that has Burks and Kanter on it, right? Also, look at the players you can play:

PG - Burke, Garrett, Hayward, Burks. I don't think you say the bench sucks for the PG position
SG - Hayward, Burks. Maybe a little thin here
SF - Jefferson, Williams, Hayward. Bench doesn't suck for this position
PF - Favors, Williams, Kanter, Evans. Again, doesn't suck.
C - Favors, Kanter, Gobert. Maybe a little inexperienced, but I wouldn't say that our bench sucks here.

So, where exactly is this sucky bench? And remember, it isn't injuries either, because the Jazz were playing .500 ball when Burke came back from his injury. Then the team quit on Corbin. So, while the team does has it's limitations, Corbin shares a lion share of the blame. Kanter has been in this system three years now. Same with Burks. And Hayward. I bet Sloan and Johnson would have built a better offense around Kanter, Favors, Hayward and Burks the last couple of seasons. The defense has regressed. Kanter has regressed. Hayward has regressed. Gobert hasn't gotten any better. Burke has regressed from the middle of the season.
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I stand corrected. I remember many times where we lost games because of the bench, but according to the stats the bench is average. It is the starters that lose the games for us. It has as much to do with their offense as it does their defense.

It might be the right move to hire a different coach.
Don't be surprised though when it looks different, but the results are much the same.
A new system for players that can't/wont run the current system may end up in the same spot.
 
So... anyone hear about the locker room trouble? Got any deets?
Maybe some thick skinned poster out there has some contacts and can get the skinny.
 
So here is what I concluded. After the jazz got off to a terrible start This vet guy named richard Jackson, oops I mean mark Jefferson, started a rift in the locker room. He said that he was a better primary option than Hayward....half the locker room followed him including Rush Biedrens, Gobert and Ian Clark. The others followed Hayward, except for favors who could not be bothered, and john Lucas who wasn't invited to any of the meetings.

Anyway Ty Corbin, being the players coach that he is, brokered a peace agreement between the two waring camps, wherein Jefferson was promised 30+ minutes per game for the remainder of the season if he would back off. But the price was hanging his fellow rebels out to dry. It was decided they would pay for their crimes by being banished to the bench with no hope of starting or continuing their careers.

The brouhaha after last nights game was Hayward erupting after Ian Clark logged minutes in another game, this was a clear violation of paragraph 4 of the peace treaty and Hayward demanded it stop.

This season cannot end soon enough for the players, the fans, the media or jazzfanz.

And in case any of you were wondering, yes, I am feeling exceptionally snarky today.
Go jazz.
 
mellow said:
So here is what I concluded. After the jazz got off to a terrible start This vet guy named richard Jackson, oops I mean mark Jefferson, started a rift in the locker room. He said that he was a better primary option than Hayward....half the locker room followed him including Rush Biedrens, Gobert and Ian Clark. The others followed Hayward, except for favors who could not be bothered, and john Lucas who wasn't invited to any of the meetings.

Anyway Ty Corbin, being the players coach that he is, brokered a peace agreement between the two waring camps, wherein Jefferson was promised 30+ minutes per game for the remainder of the season if he would back off. But the price was hanging his fellow rebels out to dry. It was decided they would pay for their crimes by being banished to the bench with no hope of starting or continuing their careers.

The brouhaha after last nights game was Hayward erupting after Ian Clark logged minutes in another game, this was a clear violation of paragraph 4 of the peace treaty and Hayward demanded it stop.

This season cannot end soon enough for the players, the fans, the media or jazzfanz.

And in case any of you were wondering, yes, I am feeling exceptionally snarky today.
Go jazz.
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Team Hayward vs. Team Jefferson.
They should battle this out via three point shooting contest.
 
green said:
I'm actually shocked it's taken this long for a locker room blow up to happen. Has Corbin had a blowup every year he has been coach now? Bell, the Millsap, now this? Ha ha. Turrible coach. Just turrible.
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Yea because Sloan never had blow-ups on his team. This guy sounds like he is just making something up because he has to write a story. I am sure there are frustrations when you are getting beat every night but ultimately everyone shares some of the blame even though the coach is usually the one to go. I am not pro-Ty nor anti-Ty but I won't miss the constant whining about how horrible the guy is. I think he has been as professional as any coach has been, he has been put in a difficult position and received way too much criticism. I think he is overmatched for the job and should be an assistant and not a head coach though. I wish him the best because he seems like a nice enough person.
 
So Green I guess I can take from your comments that you don't like Corbin very much as a coach? Right?
 
cowhide said:
Yea because Sloan never had blows on his team. This guy sounds like he is just making something up because he has to write a story. I am sure there are frustrations when you are getting beat every night but ultimately everyone shares some of the blame even though the coach is usually the one to go. I am not pro-Ty nor anti-Ty but I won't miss the constant whining about how horrible the guy is. I think he has been as professional as any coach has been, he has been put in a difficult position and receive way too much criticism. I think he is overmatched for the job and should be an assistant and not a head coach though. I wish him the best because he seems like a nice enough person.
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I wish him the best as well. He is definitely not the worst coach to ever coach. He is about the lower end of middle of the pack right now, and will probably be a really good coach one day. I just don't see the value in trying to develop him at the very same time we are trying to develop our players. You never know who to blame, the coach or the player. Often times the argument is both of them because they are both inexperienced. Since we can't assemble a team from free agency, it is Corbin who has to go so we can properly develop and analyze our guys as objectively as possible.

Hornacek is an aberration, not the norm. It probably didn't hurt Hornacek that his father was a coach, and that he himself wasn't an elite athlete, making it a necessity that he master the fundamentals and come up with some tricks of his own. Definitely not the normal young coach.
 
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Sexual Favors said:
Hornacek is an elaboration, not the norm. It probably didn't hurt Hornacek that his father was a coach, and that he himself wasn't an elite athlete, making it a necessity that he master the fundamentals and come up with some tricks of his own. Definitely not the normal young coach.
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I agree with this...and it also makes me think that Stockton could be a good coach as well. Hornacek and Stockton are both very similar in that they both weren't very athletic but were always smarter than their opponents and figured out ways to gain an advantage over their opponents despite being at a physical disadvantage.
 
Triangle Man said:
I stand corrected. I remember many times where we lost games because of the bench, but according to the stats the bench is average. It is the starters that lose the games for us. It has as much to do with their offense as it does their defense.

It might be the right move to hire a different coach.
Don't be surprised though when it looks different, but the results are much the same.
A new system for players that can't/wont run the current system may end up in the same spot.
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I do agree with this. I don't think we are much better next year. This draft is full of potential...but the only player that can come in and lift a franchise immediately is probably Parker. Everyone else will be amazing...in a couple of years.
 
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