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locke's idea - big man rotation

theNBAnerd said:
let's all try really hard to NOT make this a thread about why locke does or doesn't suck. i just listened to his tip-off and he addressed the big man situation.

his suggestion is to start jefferson + favors, but sub out jefferson after just 4-5 minutes, and then bring him back in for the second quarter so that most of his minutes can be against "second-tier" bigs, because he believes that al's production is so much better vs. second-tier guys that the best solution is to maximize the minutes he is playing against that crop. he says this keeps kanter in the 16-20 minute range since he's not sure he's ready for more, and will guarantee paul a substantive role because he'll be playing 7-8 minutes of the first and third, plus portions of the back quarters.

so what do y'all think?

my main contentions are with the logic that his idea is based on. namely:

1) he says that if we're sending al/paul away, that results in a bigger role for kanter than what he is ready for and then makes jeremy the 4th big, which he just can't be at this stage... as though we wouldn't get anything back in the al/paul deal to help shore up the bigs.

2) he says he sees kanter getting the same minutes as last year (he said 16 mpg, he's actually wrong - kanter averaged 13.2), while i think it would be a huge waste to not try to advance kanter's role to SOME degree.

3) (and this is a big one) i have problem with the logic of calling al a starter but then bending over backwards to make sure he's playing second-string bigs. if you have a guy who you are so concerned about hiding from first-unit big men because he does most of damage against what locke calls "second-tier" guys, then maybe he's not the ideal starter in the first place. if the assertion is that al can be most effective playing against second units, then put him on the bench and let him play against second units. (note: i know that doing so would kill his trade value, i just think it's ridiculous to have him be the starter in name only because he can only be effective against mediocre bigs... and that's the whole logic behind locke's idea.)
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Locke has a point and you improvised it but not starting Al means risking his bs about he should be a starter and all that ****. Other than that, Al is indeed better against any center who does not defend him too well.

Hack said:
Just put Kanter in a freezer for a couple years.
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Hehhe nice one.

pickledXgrandma said:
Who do you want on the floor?
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Good point.

bjunior said:
Favors
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Thread locker.
 
Some have questions whether or not Al's trade value would be effected by starting or off the bench. I think his only trade value now or at the trade deadline is his expiring contract. I truely doubt any team values him as a quality big they just have to have....
 
If we are keeping Al so that his big contract can just expire and free up big space next summer, then why do we care if his trade value dips because we're bringing him off the bench?

Everybody has talked about what a nice dude Al is.... I guess he's too nice to come off the bench?
 
Jazz are not going to win anything in the next two or three years. At best the Jazz are a four or five seed if everything goes right. The Jazz need to make a decision who their guys are. You can't make all four guys happy. Kanter and Favor's growth will be stunted if they play limited minutes again. I don't care if Kanter struggles it is the only way he is going to get better. Make a decision between Big AL and Millsap. Then play a 3 man rotation with all guys getting minutes. Trading one of the players now instead of watching talent players walk only sets the team back another year. Evans can handle spot up minutes. He always seems to produce.
 
Freak said it best, but Locke is playing mad scientist in a fantasy world. I'll be very surprised (not shocked) if Al and Sap don't start game 1.
 
As a secondary point, I don't really care that much about forcing a 20 year old kid on the floor. At this point, Locke's right that Favors is a 15 - 20 player. But if he proves better than that, I'm sure Ty will get real creative trying to figure out ways to get him more minutes, which likely means more Sap at the 3 on a regular basis. And I'd be shocked if at least one of our wings doesn't disappoint, whoever that may be, and thus it might be a real easy transition despite a few hurt feelings for whoever gets iced.
 
Locke's rotations are better than the rotations we had to deal with last year. Did Corbin even make any substitutions within the first eight minutes of the game last year? It sure didn't seem like it in the games that I was able to catch.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
Locke's rotations are better than the rotations we had to deal with last year. Did Corbin even make any substitutions within the first eight minutes of the game last year? It sure didn't seem like it in the games that I was able to catch.
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Nor did Sloan. Near the end of Stockton's career, Jerry tried to save him a bit by taking him out at the 8 min mark and then resting him through the quarter break and 4-5 mins into the next period. Early substitutions were never a part of Sloan's game plan and they aren't for his protege Ty.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
Locke's rotations are better than the rotations we had to deal with last year. Did Corbin even make any substitutions within the first eight minutes of the game last year? It sure didn't seem like it in the games that I was able to catch.
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How many teams did you see make scheduled rotations before the first 8 minutes of any game? Locke is calling for a 5 minute sub of a starter. Even Ginobili didn't come in until the 8 minute mark. Locke is in video game land, and ignoring practical realities as Freak said.
 
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