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Locke's Tone: Tank on The Horizon?

Saint Cy of JFC said:
You get into the top 5 of next year's draft and you likely have a cornerstone piece for a rebuild. That's my biggest hope for Smith being convinced. Yeah, Vik would be great, but next year isn't a one prospect draft. A lot of people think Scoot Henderson is best PG prospect since Derrick Rose.
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Scoot Henderson, Nick Smith, and Dariq Whitehead are all fantastic prospects.
 
Nate505 said:
So the Millers sold the team to a guy who couldn't afford to run it.

Fantastic.
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The Millers need to step back in and buy for less than they sold it. They’ve got some leverage here. If Ryan sells to someone who moves it out of state, he’ll be the most hated man in Utah for quite some time. Decades.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also some recent interviews with Andy Larsen or Eric Walden (can't remember who said) basically eluded to Smith being a broke boy after buying the team and the initial LT payments (hints why Utah wasn't willing to buy into the 2nd round). He might not really love the idea of tanking and looking like a failure, but it would ultimately save him money.
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Just dropping out of the tax might be like a $30-40M proposition for Ryan this year... maybe more if he drops salary further. The tax distribution could be monstrous with GS and others digging to depths we have not seen before. How long does our playoff run have to be to net 30-40M?

The crazy **** is we still don't understand the math on buying a second rounder i guess. If you are in the tax the difference in salary and tax is $3M+ in savings and you don't look like a broke boy. Those picks changed hands for less than that.... and you give yourself a chance to hit on a pick. If it helps you duck the tax its worth so much more. We are a couple moves away from being under the tax and that was an easy one to help provide some margin.

The business of tanking was always something I thought would appeal to Ryan. The arena will still have fans... you can still sell hope and watching the next young player... saving $40-50M in salary covers for a lot of the decline in ticket sales. Valuation on the franchise still goes through the roof when the next tv deal hits.
 
infection said:
The Millers need to step back in and buy for less than they sold it. They’ve got some leverage here. If Ryan sells to someone who moves it out of state, he’ll be the most hated man in Utah for quite some time. Decades.
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He'd make a ton of money if he sold. He won't. The next tv deal hits and he makes a bunch more than he would have.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Just dropping out of the tax might be like a $30-40M proposition for Ryan this year... maybe more if he drops salary further. The tax distribution could be monstrous with GS and others digging to depths we have not seen before. How long does our playoff run have to be to net 30-40M?

The crazy **** is we still don't understand the math on buying a second rounder i guess. If you are in the tax the difference in salary and tax is $3M+ in savings and you don't look like a broke boy. Those picks changed hands for less than that.... and you give yourself a chance to hit on a pick. If it helps you duck the tax its worth so much more. We are a couple moves away from being under the tax and that was an easy one to help provide some margin.

The business of tanking was always something I thought would appeal to Ryan. The arena will still have fans... you can still sell hope and watching the next young player... saving $40-50M in salary covers for a lot of the decline in ticket sales. Valuation on the franchise still goes through the roof when the next tv deal hits.
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Doesn't help you save money if you just plan on tanking tho
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He'd make a ton of money if he sold. He won't. The next tv deal hits and he makes a bunch more than he would have.
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NBA teams are cash cows. We don't even know the true extent of how much, but you can guarantee it's more than they let on with how much these teams sell for.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Whitmore and the twins in Overtime Elite. This draft is going to be one of the most athletic of all time potentially.
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Definitely. Everyone is focused on Victor but there are a lot of good prospects that fit the mold of what you want in either a modern PG or wing.
 
IMO, a full-blown tank job is the smartest thing we can do right now. We're in cap jail paying a very mediocre team, princess Donovan is a problem and #27 deserves better than what we'll be able to give him in his remaining prime years.

I would feel great about flipping both for a haul of picks and the right expiring deals.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Doesn't help you save money if you just plan on tanking tho
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IF you are tanking and IF you get under the tax in those moves (which he could). At very least it costs like $1M in that scenario and you don't look like a broke boy... you can sell the other moves and just a pivot and not us reducing salary... said in Locke's voice "there is zero part of this that has to do with money... Ryan paid MILLIONS for a chance to draft a guy that likely never helps... get out of here with that ****... this podcast is brought to you by dick pills - do you have problems in the sack"
 
We keep acting like this money is coming straight out of Ryan's personal checkbook. It isn't. Many businesses incur expenses like this, penalties or fines or whatever, or just regular operating costs. If we install a ton of racking in a warehouse for a customer for $1.5 million, we might run at a balance sheet loss for 18 months to recoup the investment. If the Jazz incur a 30mill penalty then that just comes off the bottom line, and maybe pushes them closer to running at break even. I seriously doubt that even pushes them into the red. I get they want to run at the highest profit possible, but this has very little to do with Ryan being too poor to pay the penalty and everything to do with them running this as a, well you know, business. Like it is. They just do not want to run the risk of not making a profit. My bet is it would require a hell of a lot more than $30 mill in penalties to push them into a straight up loss anyway.
 
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