AlaskanAssassin
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I think a Hard Cap is a must for all teams to be able to compete.
Having said that I agree that some adjustments need to be done about guaranteed contracts for the Hard Cap to work. I propose the following:
1. If player is fit to play but his production has simply declined - then the contract remains guaranteed. The player's salary would still count towards the cap - the team cannot sign another player if the team is at the Cap. (Good for players as they still get paid. Bad for owners, but that's up to their evaluation of the player)
2. If the player faces a season ending injury (as determined by a team of NBA doctors, i.e., Yao Ming's season ending injury), then teams are still liable to pay the players. But the player's salary will come off the Hard Cap total for that year. (Good for players as they still get paid. Good for owners as they can deduct the contract amount off the Hard Cap)
3. Teams can sign a player for 25% over the Max. contract (to be determined each year by the lague - say $15m), provided that the player has been with that team for more than 5 years. This 25% can also exceed the Hard Cap (it will be the only exception to the Hard Cap). (Good for players as they can go over the Cap. Good for owners as they can keep their star player).
Plus do the 50/50 split of revenue. I think that seems fair for both the Players and the Owners.
What do you guys think?
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gregbroncs
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Your ideas take a bad system and make them worse. You still have guaranteed contracts and a soft cap. Call a spade a spade if a team can go over the cap for any reason then it's not a hard cap. You leave in all of the guarantees for the players and give the teams the ability to go over the cap in more ways. Basically any player on a team for 5 years or more is not counted against the cap under the senario you outlined. If this offer was put before the players they would take it and run as they get basically everything they have now with a slight loss in pay.
The owner's of the bigger franchises would love your plan. If they have a player that is not performing and a big name player comes available they just have the overpaid player sit with pay while they sign the player that is available to play in their place.
Either they need to be rid of guaranteed contracts or they need to have a real hard cap. Not this version of another soft cap with basically the same guaranteed contracts they have now.
A hard cap means they do not go over the salary cap. NO EXCEPTIONS.
OK thank you for your interest - didn't think anyone would analyse it in detail so good to see.
Season Ending Injury
I probably didn't make it clear in my post, but what you're proposing the bigger franchise would do would not be possible (if you're at or over the Cap).
The only way to get his salary taken off the cap would be under option 2 - where the player is out for the year. This would have to be verified by a team of "Official NBA doctors" who would analyse and make a call on whether or not a player's injury is serious enough to warrant this. (i.e., Oden, Yao Ming, would qualify).
Hard Cap VS Soft Cap
I think a modification of a 'Hard Cap' would be required for players to buy into it. I think my modifications above is fair and is something that both players and teams can agree on (i.e., if there is a season ending injury, player still gets paid, and team can have the salary taken off its books).
Note: I've updated my original post to make this point clearer.
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DutchJazzer
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that wont solve the ak problem. cus ak would have gotten the tag
Not if teams continue to have agency rights (without the tag) after the rookie deal. The idea would be to use it after the first big payday.
gregbroncs
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So under your system the big market teams gain a bigger stranglehold on the league. Soft cap, Guaranteed contracts and if a player gets injured they can now go over the cap in an additional way. They now have no recourse against signing players to huge deals. If one of their players come up for FA after 5 years they don't count against the cap. Basically every player on a team for more than 5 years can be a big money player.
Simply put. Without either non-guaranteed contracts or a real hard cap. This whole lockout is a complete waste for the owners.
I also don't believe the owner's need the players to buy into it. The owner's have little incentive to budge until they get their way. Eventually the players will begin to cave. When they do a hard cap is where the owner's negotiation begins. No hard cap no CBA. No CBA no season.
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How is it not surprising to me that dutchjazzer doesn't understand supply and demand.