Anyone else think both BYU and Utah took a big step forward this offseason?
LOL at delusional BYU fans
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CONAN
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I do. BYU has been looking at independence for years and it's nice to finally see that go through. The deals with Notre Dame and Texas are icing on the cake. Not to mention getting into the WCC for basketball.
SaltyDawg
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Utah, yes. Now if they go undefeated they will likely play for the national championship. They can even get to the Rose Bowl after losing a couple games.
BYU, no. They can go undefeated and not even play in a BCS game now, they are going to a conference that plays in community college basketball arenas, and some of their sports aren't even played in that conference.
NAOS
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ummm... that was my way of ending transmission
TheItinerantSon
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i like how people in this thread keep talking about utah's first game jitters, as if pittsburgh had played a bunch of preseason threads.
also, my two cents is that theres a dynasty brewing in eugene.
Also, ucla is a qb away...
also, my two cents is that theres a dynasty brewing in eugene.
Also, ucla is a qb away...
Seriously? Getting into the WCC for basketball is a step forward? How is playing in a gym that holds almost as many people as a high school gym a step forward?
They are under the same BCS rules as they were before. They can still play in a BCS game.
SaltyDawg
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Are they really? The last I heard was they didn't even have a BCS agreement yet and were trying to get something closer to Notre Dame's instead of something like Army and Navy's.
In any case, under those same rules that BYU was under before, Boise State went undefeated multiple times and didn't get to a BCS game. In fact, both times Utah went undefeated and went to the BCS, Boise State also went undefeated and went to some crappy bowl instead.
And Boise State is ESPN's darling, and has them brokering games, just like BYU will.
Unless BYU finds several good teams they can play late in the season every year, I just don't see them getting to the BCS anytime soon. I imagine they'll play Notre Dame late in the season (who hasn't been good in a while) but other than that, all the good games will be early. And we all know the early games aren't as important as the later games in the eyes of the BCS.
A late season win over Idaho State probably won't move you up in the polls, and may even move you down. A late season win over TCU or Boise State would certainly not have moved BYU down, and probably even moved them up.
gregbroncs
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Utah played terrible and made a bunch of mistakes that they are not known for. It can be written off as 1st game jitters for now but if it continues then it's a real problem. They killed 3 drives with TO and 2 of them were unforced fumbles. They killed at least 2 other drives with stupid *** penalties and I believe it was more like 4-5. They gave Pitt a # of drive saving first downs with those same stupid *** penalties.
Most of those things can be fixed. But it's hard to fix them before hand. Hence the reasoning first game jitters.
It was also a big game against a top 25 rated team and a rematch with a team you beat in the 1st ever BCS buster season. There were a lot of reasons why you could see the jitters. On Pitt's side they also had the mistakes associated with 1st game jitters but their mistakes did not come at times that seemed to effect the game so dramatically.
Despite all of this Utah did actually seem to dominate the action on the field for the majority of this game even though the final outcome was very close.
CONAN
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So attendance will be about the same as when they stomp Utah at the Huntsman center then?
//r00t 4 Jazz
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I think the Y took a step forward in that they'll likely make more $$$ and likely get more exposure and if a BCS conference comes a callin' they don't have any ties to worry about.
The U I believe was a no brainer, more money, more exposure and now when they have really good teams even if they slip up one or two games they have a possibility of getting into a BCS bowl. I know I'm not expecting any undefeated seasons but a 1 loss winning their PAC12 championship game has a shot at the national title, even a 2-3 loss team and winning the conference championship game will get a BCS bowl. So while that's not going to happen every year its nice knowing it is in their control to obtain that.
To answer TIS, I think Oregon would be the favorite this year and the U would be fighting for 2nd but in theoreticals the Ducks would have to come to Utah this year since the U was up in Eugene last year so who knows. Just like any conference in any year a lot depends on what year your good and what year their playing the best conference teams on the road or at home.
CONAN
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Utah did about as good as they can hope for and it's great things fell through so the Pac extended the invite. Now they are with the big boys for good and bad. But the Y is going places only a few programs can go. And of course the haters are gonna say that's a bad place. But really the Y gets to try independence and the money and exposure and see how that goes or they can join a big conference in a few years. Both good options but I'd rather they stay independent.