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LOL @ Portland...Karma's a....female dog.

The franchise that's made an art of signing others to offer sheets. The one that threatened a lawsuit if a team were to sign Darius Miles.

Portland just may become my most hated franchise. Nah, I still detest the Lakers and Heat too much. Still, there was a time I admired the way Portland had gotten rid of all their "Jail Blazers" are were on their way to rebuilding around solid players. Then I came to realize what an absolute petty POS Allen really is.
 
I sometimes wonder if some of you knuckleheads realize how the Utah Jazz acquired Carlos Boozer.
 
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freakazoid said:
I sometimes wonder if some of you knuckleheads realize how the Utah Jazz acquired Carlos Boozer.
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Ummm...

Guess you can say Karma got us on that one, although plan B was Kenyon Martin so Jazz were screwed either way. In hindsight, maybe Utah should have been more patient with Humphries.
 
MoTown16 said:
Guess you can say Karma got us on that one, although plan B was Kenyon Martin so Jazz were screwed either way. In hindsight, maybe Utah should have been more patient with Humphries.
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Except Utah didn't do anything wrong, just like Portland did nothing wrong by trying to steal Millsap and Wes. That's just the way things are done. There's no point in trying to sign a RFA, if you're just going to sign a deal that his team will easily match. The only way to steal a good player who is restricted, is by designing it in a way that makes it difficult to match. There's no reason to hate other teams for doing this, when Utah would do exactly the same thing in their shoes, and in fact, have.

It's interesting now with the new CBA rules about to come into effect, to see the deal the Rockets signed Lin to, in order to try and steal him from NY. Instead of a front-loaded deal, Lin's deal is reported to be about 5 per in years 1 and 2, and then 15 in year 3. There are varying reports on exactly how that would hit NY, but I think if they wanted to keep their big 3, that third year could cost the knicks around 45 million if they matched on Lin. Funny stuff, when it's not happening to us.:cool:
 
freakazoid said:
I sometimes wonder if some of you knuckleheads realize how the Utah Jazz acquired Carlos Boozer.
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Please give us your wisdom regarding what the Jazz did wrong signing Boozer. Boozer was a free agent. Jazz signed him. There was no poison pill. The Cavs screwed themselves by letting Boozer go on the open market. When did Utah jack up the price with a poison pill to take a player away from another team. I certainly do not remember them doing it. You are correct that the CBA allows teams to do it. That isn't the big issue. The irony is that Portland was the first team to do this and now they are whining about how Minnesota is doing it. That is why people are laughing when they hear the Blazer organization whine about it.
 
freakazoid said:
I sometimes wonder if some of you knuckleheads realize how the Utah Jazz acquired Carlos Boozer.
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That truly is a totally different situation. What happened there was that Cleveland tried to circumvent the CBA and got burned when they let Booze out of his contract early.
 
cowhide said:
Please give us your wisdom regarding what the Jazz did wrong signing Boozer. Boozer was a free agent. Jazz signed him. There was no poison pill. The Cavs screwed themselves by letting Boozer go on the open market. When did Utah jack up the price with a poison pill to take a player away from another team. I certainly do not remember them doing it. You are correct that the CBA allows teams to do it. That isn't the big issue. The irony is that Portland was the first team to do this and now they are whining about how Minnesota is doing it. That is why people are laughing when they hear the Blazer organization whine about it.
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I'm pretty sure Boozer was restricted. The Jazz didn't need a poison pill because the sheer size of the contract made it almost impossible for the Cavs to match.
 
Porty is an annoying franchise?

Ugh... I much more detest the Nugheads, Queens, Lakers, Heat, Magic (for being spineless to Dwight), and the Bobcats far more.
 
My2Cents said:
I'm pretty sure Boozer was restricted. The Jazz didn't need a poison pill because the sheer size of the contract made it almost impossible for the Cavs to match.
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This is technically true, but it was close to the Gilbert Arenas situation where the team didn't have unlimited options to match the contract over the cap because of Boozer's status as a second round pick.

Cleveland alleged that they reached an understanding with Boozer on a 6 year/$39 million deal before they failed to exercise the team option on his final year on his rookie contract. That's a CBA violation. Boozer screwed them by taking the deal and then not following through when a better offer came along, but the Jazz didn't poison pill the Cavaliers at all.
 
All Paul Allen needs to do is step back and think for a minute. Yes, Brandon Roy coming back costs Portland some insurance money. But it's not like Minnesota was the only team interested in him. Plus Portland knows how fun it is to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets. The nerve of some people.
 
Sirkickyass said:
This is technically true, but it was close to the Gilbert Arenas situation where the team didn't have unlimited options to match the contract over the cap because of Boozer's status as a second round pick.

Cleveland alleged that they reached an understanding with Boozer on a 6 year/$39 million deal before they failed to exercise the team option on his final year on his rookie contract. That's a CBA violation. Boozer screwed them by taking the deal and then not following through when a better offer came along, but the Jazz didn't poison pill the Cavaliers at all.
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Winner.
 
I wonder if Indiana feels sorry for Paul Allen now that they have matched the Blazers' max offer sheet to Roy Hibbert.
 
freakazoid said:
Except Utah didn't do anything wrong, just like Portland did nothing wrong by trying to steal Millsap and Wes. That's just the way things are done. There's no point in trying to sign a RFA, if you're just going to sign a deal that his team will easily match. The only way to steal a good player who is restricted, is by designing it in a way that makes it difficult to match. There's no reason to hate other teams for doing this, when Utah would do exactly the same thing in their shoes, and in fact, have.

It's interesting now with the new CBA rules about to come into effect, to see the deal the Rockets signed Lin to, in order to try and steal him from NY. Instead of a front-loaded deal, Lin's deal is reported to be about 5 per in years 1 and 2, and then 15 in year 3. There are varying reports on exactly how that would hit NY, but I think if they wanted to keep their big 3, that third year could cost the knicks around 45 million if they matched on Lin. Funny stuff, when it's not happening to us.:cool:
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David Aldridge was saying that if NY matched the Lin offer and which would most likely have them in the tax for 3 years in a row by 2015 with a $100 million payroll, the tax they would pay would be $115 million.
 
margodydek said:
David Aldridge was saying that if NY matched the Lin offer and which would most likely have them in the tax for 3 years in a row by 2015 with a $100 million payroll, the tax they would pay would be $115 million.
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It's a weird loophole in the CBA.
Houston gets to average their offer to Lin over the 3 years of the deal, so it will count about $8.3M per year against their cap. However, if NY matches the deal, then the contract terms are matched EXACTLY, so NY has $5M, $5M then $15M count as their cap numbers. And having their "Big 3" already, the Year 3 number would push them to the projected tax threshold with just 4 players. Aldridge is calculating what the rest of the roster would cost. Even at vet minimums and rookie salaries for the remaining 9 players, the Knicks would be well into the 2 1/2x penalty area. Teams have another two-year window for the Big-3 model. After that, it's going to really hurt to have 3 players near MAX. Those teams will have to rely on vets signing at the mininum for a chance at a title.
 
freakazoid said:
Except Utah didn't do anything wrong, just like Portland did nothing wrong by trying to steal Millsap and Wes. That's just the way things are done. There's no point in trying to sign a RFA, if you're just going to sign a deal that his team will easily match. The only way to steal a good player who is restricted, is by designing it in a way that makes it difficult to match. There's no reason to hate other teams for doing this, when Utah would do exactly the same thing in their shoes, and in fact, have.

It's interesting now with the new CBA rules about to come into effect, to see the deal the Rockets signed Lin to, in order to try and steal him from NY. Instead of a front-loaded deal, Lin's deal is reported to be about 5 per in years 1 and 2, and then 15 in year 3. There are varying reports on exactly how that would hit NY, but I think if they wanted to keep their big 3, that third year could cost the knicks around 45 million if they matched on Lin. Funny stuff, when it's not happening to us.:cool:
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No doubt. But Paul Allen publicly whining about this **** and making hollow threats is pathetic.
 
My2Cents said:
I'm pretty sure Boozer was restricted. The Jazz didn't need a poison pill because the sheer size of the contract made it almost impossible for the Cavs to match.
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Sirkickyass said:
This is technically true,.
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The only technicality here is that Boozer's contract wasn't technically a poison pill. You can split hairs all you want, but the intent was still the same with the way the contract was structured. That is, when you decide to pursue an RFA, you go after a team that is in a tight spot financially, and then you make it as difficult as possible for the other team to match. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. Jazz fans aren't pissed because of the details of the contracts offered to Sap and Wes. They are pissed at another team for trying to steal our players. Period. Therefore, it IS NOT a totally different situation. It's the same thing thing.

Sirkickyass said:
That truly is a totally different situation. What happened there was that Cleveland tried to circumvent the CBA and got burned when they let Booze out of his contract early.
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The way that Boozer became an RFA is completely irrelevant to this discussion. RFAs are fair game, regardless of how they became such.
 
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