LOL @ Portland...Karma's a....female dog.

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Freak is quickly becoming Cy and InGameWords sinful love child. And it ain't pretty.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

The only technicality here is that Boozer's contract wasn't technically a poison pill. You can split hairs all you want, but the intent was still the same with the way the contract was structured. That is, when you decide to pursue an RFA, you go after a team that is in a tight spot financially, and then you make it as difficult as possible for the other team to match. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. Jazz fans aren't pissed because of the details of the contracts offered to Sap and Wes. They are pissed at another team for trying to steal our players. Period. Therefore, it IS NOT a totally different situation. It's the same thing thing.



The way that Boozer became an RFA is completely irrelevant to this discussion. RFAs are fair game, regardless of how they became such.

Can't speak for everybody on this but I think part of the issue is it happened back to back years with "fan favorite" type players so it felt like Porty was trying to mess with the Jazz. Also one could take into account how well the DWill trade worked for the Jazz that netted DWill and left Porty with not a single person/draft pick from that is still with Porty, makes it easy to find motivation besides just being a NW Div rival.

 

[nightmare3983]

Can't speak for everybody on this but I think part of the issue is it happened back to back years with "fan favorite" type players so it felt like Porty was trying to mess with the Jazz. Also one could take into account how well the DWill trade worked for the Jazz that netted DWill and left Porty with not a single person/draft pick from that is still with Porty, makes it easy to find motivation besides just being a NW Div rival.

That really was a dumb trade by Portland. It's not a good idea to help your division rival unless the deal helps you a LOT more.

 

[Jazz4ever]

The only technicality here is that Boozer's contract wasn't technically a poison pill. You can split hairs all you want, but the intent was still the same with the way the contract was structured. That is, when you decide to pursue an RFA, you go after a team that is in a tight spot financially, and then you make it as difficult as possible for the other team to match. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. Jazz fans aren't pissed because of the details of the contracts offered to Sap and Wes. They are pissed at another team for trying to steal our players. Period. Therefore, it IS NOT a totally different situation. It's the same thing thing.

Not quite. Greg Oden was 100% healthy at the time. Millsap would have been buried behind Aldridge and Oden. Assuming they both played 36 minutes a game, Sap was in line to be getting about 24 minutes a game there....forever. Allen does not make this offer if Sap's rights were held by a wealthier owner, or if the team wasn't in his division. Classic bullying job.

 

[Former Member]

Was I the only one hoping that the Jazz would have signed Darius Miles to a contract the year Allen was threatening all the other owners with a lawsuit if they signed him?

 

[freakazoid]

Not quite. Greg Oden was 100% healthy at the time. Millsap would have been buried behind Aldridge and Oden. Assuming they both played 36 minutes a game, Sap was in line to be getting about 24 minutes a game there....forever..

Oden has never been 100% healthy in his life. Some Jazz fans just like to make assumtions like this, so they can justify their whining. Just because YOU weren't aware of any health concerns at the time, doesn't mean there weren't any. If anything, the health problems of Oden and Roy have proven that the Blazers had very good reasons for going after our players.

Allen does not make this offer if Sap's rights were held by a wealthier owner, .

Just like Utah doesn't make Boozer an offer, if the blind man wasn't in a tight spot. You'll have to excuse me while I wipe away a tear.

For Furk's sake, we're talking about a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. The whole point of pursuing any RFA, is for the other team to NOT MATCH the offer, for WHATEVER REASON. This isn't some kind of personal vendetta, it's called trying to steal someone else's RFA. Going after an RFA on a team in good standing would be kinda silly, since they could just easily match.

Allen does not make this offer if the team wasn't in his division. Classic bullying job.

Division had nothing to do with it, and if this is considered bullying, then I guess Utah bullied a blind man in Cleveland.

 

[One Brow]

It's a weird loophole in the CBA.
Houston gets to average their offer to Lin over the 3 years of the deal, so it will count about $8.3M per year against their cap. However, if NY matches the deal, then the contract terms are matched EXACTLY, so NY has $5M, $5M then $15M count as their cap numbers.

Not exactly. IN previous CBAs, cap numbers and tax numbers are counted differently. I think Lin would still count as 8.3M against the cap every year for the Knicks, and would cound as 5, 5, 15 against the tax for the Rockets.

 

[cowhide]

Not quite. Greg Oden was 100% healthy at the time. Millsap would have been buried behind Aldridge and Oden. Assuming they both played 36 minutes a game, Sap was in line to be getting about 24 minutes a game there....forever. Allen does not make this offer if Sap's rights were held by a wealthier owner, or if the team wasn't in his division. Classic bullying job.

When has Oden ever been 100 percent healthy. He was coming off a wrist injury and there were red flags about his knees.

 

[nightmare3983]

Not exactly. IN previous CBAs, cap numbers and tax numbers are counted differently. I think Lin would still count as 8.3M against the cap every year for the Knicks, and would cound as 5, 5, 15 against the tax for the Rockets.

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44:

There's an example of a restcted Early Bird free agent signing an offer sheet worth a total of $36m over four years.

For the team making this offer, this contract would count for $9.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the four seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary.

 

[margodydek]

Was I the only one hoping that the Jazz would have signed Darius Miles to a contract the year Allen was threatening all the other owners with a lawsuit if they signed him?

Probably. I'm assuming most Jazz fans were hoping that one of the other 28 teams signed him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Greg Oden was 100% healthy at the time.

A guy that's 7' ~260 that has a leg longer than the other, notwithstanding that he was fresh off of a microfracture surgery is never 100%. That's why the Blazers are retarded.