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LogGrad98 said:
My personal near death experiences make me inclined to think that something continues after this life, beyond a separation and then winking out of existence. I saw things I could not possibly have known about, and described them in some detail. I have experienced this twice in my life, both times I saw something I could not explain, yet it had happened as I described it later. One of those things was very bad and one was good. I have no idea why I saw what I did, but it sticks with me, and beyond some kind of existence after this life I cannot explain how it happened. And I definitely do not understand why it did. I hope I get an answer to this one day, but it is doubtful I will be able to come back here and post about it when/if I do. :)
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I haven't had a specific experience like this. I have to give credit though for the existence of angels and for somehow knowing when a specific deceased person is present with me. A friend told me once about how her husband had died in a head-on collision. . .. he was in a Volkswagon bug in 1968, and tried to pass on a two lane highway. . . . and hit a semi headon. She said some days afterward he came to her and told her he was OK, that everything was right with him, and please go on with her life. I told her the best thing she could do is get married and have some kids. Oh, maybe ten years later her new brother-in-law was dating another friend of mine, and I got invited to go visit her new family. Two cute little girls.

When people tell me about experiences like yours I believe it is more than just some mental phenomena. . . .
 
A second line of correlation with this kind of idea. . . . as LogGrad is telling. . . . is that I was pretty impressed when I was totally blind and nearly totally paralyzed for a while at age 25, it seemed to me that I had lost nothing of my "value" or essence as a human being. Living for some years with serious impediments was frustrating and I was acutely aware of my "uselessness" in this physical world, and how I was a burden to others, but overall it increased my conviction of the worth of human beings and the reality of a future world where experiences like this can be an asset, a tremendous advantage, so far as what I learned about the world and myself.
 
I thought I would bring this from the other thread. Babe what is your take on clinical depression? I would be curious to hear your thoughts on that subject. Seems to fit both threads, but this one may be more appropriate to the conversation.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I thought I would bring this from the other thread. Babe what is your take on clinical depression? I would be curious to hear your thoughts on that subject. Seems to fit both threads, but this one may be more appropriate to the conversation.
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yah, I spouted off on it in the other thread already, but I had fun doing it. . . ..

I confess I am really apprehensive about the modern medicines for depression. . .. the serotonin re-uptake inhibitors. . . . . I think they're the wrong approach. I'm a little on the side of nature,and finding the natural things that make nature work the way it's designed to work. SRIs actually block a natural process in an effort to artificially achieve a "normal" balance point. That's like teaching a kid to walk by telling him he has to hold a ten pound boulder in his hand while stretching his arm to one side. . . .yeah, we can figure out how to accommodate it, but the reason kids fall down is not because they aren't holding a stone out.

The effects of SRIs are real and measureable, and in today's medicine that trumps eating good food I guess.
 
Pearls in the Book of Mormon

(this is a direct troll attempt to reel in Pearl Watson to actually post something in this thread)

So in all the bruhaha about the Book of Mormon and it's so-called anachronisms. . . . . There is now incontrovertible proof of the Book of Mormon.

In the ruins of the Hopewell Civilization of the heartland of the United States. . . . copper helmets and breastplates have been recovered. . . . which have pearls embedded in the surface. . . . dated by archaelogists to a few hundred years A.D., corresponding to the chronology of the Book of Mormon, which stated that people were becoming lifted up in pride, and loving their finery, including the pearls in their headgear. . . . .

I don't think there is any more concrete proof of the Bible in archaeological findings in the Holy Land. . . .
 
I've been watching a documentary series on the Book of Mormon, put out by the FIRM organization, in support of Joseph Smith and the restoration of the Gospel and the Book of Mormon.

Not particularly mentioned in this documentary is the fact that people were digging in the Hopewell mounds before the Book of Mormon was written. . . . and in fact, were finding enough stuff in the mounds and in places where there must have been some super heavy-duty wars in antiquity. . . . to stir up some comments in that time about it all. . . .
 
So, it could be argued, someone like Solomon Spaulding was basing his stories on the stuff underfoot in his Ohio home, where he was trying to survive as an iron-maker. And yes there were iron artifacts in some of the nearby mounds, lots of weapons in some places, lots of arrowheads, or spearheads. . . and rocks carved for busting heads. . . . body armor like helmets and breastplates as well. . . . enough to stir up the imagination of some settlers in the Ohio valley. . . .
 
I like the information which has been gathered up in this set of DVDs. It proves something about stupid scientists claiming to know everything already: they don't.
 
full-size horses were in America a thousand years ago. How do I know? I've been in a cave and seen the bones. . . . a cave that was not discovered until 1956, located only about a mile from a settlement site occupied by the white man in 1890. . . which was a settlement site of natives for oh, a thousand years and more before then. Nobody knew about this cave, because its entrance was only a small hole that needed some work to be opened up. . . .. the front side of the "cave" had caved in long ago, long enough ago that the fossils inside were dated to around four thousand years ago.

horse bones were also found in the Hopewell mounds, and in the Lebray tar pits. . . .

I wonder how long it will take for evolutionists and anti-Mormons to notice these facts.
 
Not that horses prove anything, actually, about the Book of Mormon. Someone in 1805 in Ohio could have found some old horse bones in the mounds, and everything else mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and worked it into a "story". But it proves to me that people are justified in ignoring unfounded claims advanced to disprove Mormonism. And to prove evolution.
 
It may be true that Europeans brought some horses here, and that they were not on the scene at that time, in those places. But I think there were some horses in some places. Well, when I see the wild mustangs running over the hills, I just want to think they were there hundreds of years ago, as well.

But there is a growing body of evidence of pre-columbian contacts between Europe and North America, and between Africa and Brazil, and of sea-faring cultures that existed around the Pacific Rim ten thousand to fifteen thousand years ago. . .. before the "Land Bridge" . . . .
 
Enough that now, in order to retain "credibility", the "established authorities" of American pre-history have just got to jump ship with the old story line. The books are all wrong. Time to write some new ones.
 
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