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There's hardly a worse sort of topic for eliciting any actual thinking. "Apostasy" presumes publicly-accepted, widely-embraced virtue which all members of a church or society can reasonably be expected to understand. It presumes there is an authoritative standard of reference. Oh my God!!!!!!
what kind of lunatics could believe in such a system of reducible Truth or think to impose some kind of discipline on the poor benighted deviants who can't see the light well enough to make standard, trite, obligatory blandishments of opinion sufficient to satiate the demands of Conformity? An idol if ever there was one.....
what kind of lunatics could believe in such a system of reducible Truth or think to impose some kind of discipline on the poor benighted deviants who can't see the light well enough to make standard, trite, obligatory blandishments of opinion sufficient to satiate the demands of Conformity? An idol if ever there was one.....
Anyway, someone I know, discussed above a couple of years ago, sincerely believes he's getting outta jail pretty soon. The plain fact is, imo, he's classic sociopath with delusions of being some special vessel for God. The facts of his marriage to an even worse sociopath, which ultimately detonated in one of the worst human take-downs I've ever seen, and his various acts of some criminal concerns undertaken to please her or stroke his own ego for that matter, are apparently insufficient for reflective moments of thought.
"God is getting me out of Prison" with a rather thinly-veiled notion of mission..... is just a bit concerning......
Some people are truly addicted to overdone positive self-imagery.
"God is getting me out of Prison" with a rather thinly-veiled notion of mission..... is just a bit concerning......
Some people are truly addicted to overdone positive self-imagery.
Another fried across many years, has left the LDS Church wholesale and cut off/terminated correspondence with me. Once considered one of my best friends.... citing my non-acceptance of new "revelations" received, individually, that are just too precious to throw out to skeptic swine for actual evaluation.....
The common denominator in these specific cases, per my own direct observation, is a rather hasty, or unsubstantial, manner of self-evaluation. Too quick on the trigger they accept as "right". I still review foundational beliefs wondering what I've missed on the subject......
I think there are problems inherent to all human belief systems. No way do we know it all. Any coherent set of beliefs must necessarily be reduced to a few core beliefs or values, or else there will just be too many glaring inconsistencies.... and generalized. OMG. We can't nearly deal with the Universal Truths without generalization....... it would take all day, days, weeks, months.... years....lifetimes to get all the interconnecting aspects in the right picture, with the right focus, to take that elusive "True" shot.
So, anyway, the LDS Church has apparently finally decided gays are "Apostates" and can not be fellowshipped except on terms of repentance.
Well, what else could they do. The Israelites took that stand, departed from it, returned to it, struggled with... but ultimately did not recognize non-heterosexual unions and did not accept them. The early Christians took the same stand. The story is as old as Sodom and Gomorrah.
The prevailing truth being the command in the Garden of Eden to Adam and Eve. As a fundamental Truth of existence in a Universe where Life is somewhat uncommon, and in need of careful nurturing... is that procreation, reproduction, is a fundamental "virtue", without which the tiny little Life project would just founder and fail.
The recent "progressives" movement with Malthusian nightmares just fails to comprehend how marginal Life is, if we don't continue to propagate. We need to start colonies on other "Earths", on all the "Earths" with favorable conditions anywhere/everywhere, throughout the universe. Promoting and propagating Life is what true 'progress' consists of.
Well, what else could they do. The Israelites took that stand, departed from it, returned to it, struggled with... but ultimately did not recognize non-heterosexual unions and did not accept them. The early Christians took the same stand. The story is as old as Sodom and Gomorrah.
The prevailing truth being the command in the Garden of Eden to Adam and Eve. As a fundamental Truth of existence in a Universe where Life is somewhat uncommon, and in need of careful nurturing... is that procreation, reproduction, is a fundamental "virtue", without which the tiny little Life project would just founder and fail.
The recent "progressives" movement with Malthusian nightmares just fails to comprehend how marginal Life is, if we don't continue to propagate. We need to start colonies on other "Earths", on all the "Earths" with favorable conditions anywhere/everywhere, throughout the universe. Promoting and propagating Life is what true 'progress' consists of.
And while I agree that that is the doctrine of God, I still find it problematical that the case should be prosecuted legalistically by a policy aimed at making a statement about it all in behavioral terms. Especially without asserting the positive idea as the law of the Church.
If someone does not believe the doctrine of a Church, they should not seek acceptance on individual terms claiming rights. either accept the doctrine, or move on.
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We believe in marriage between a man and woman not only for the sake of love, but for the wider societal purpose of having children, caring for them responsibly, and perpetuating the Human species (or Family of God).
Anyone who does not see that as a fundamental virtue requisite in biblical terms really should just accept that they are not really gonna be very good members, and accept that they are unacceptable to the Church that has chosen to believe that way.
If someone does not believe the doctrine of a Church, they should not seek acceptance on individual terms claiming rights. either accept the doctrine, or move on.
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We believe in marriage between a man and woman not only for the sake of love, but for the wider societal purpose of having children, caring for them responsibly, and perpetuating the Human species (or Family of God).
Anyone who does not see that as a fundamental virtue requisite in biblical terms really should just accept that they are not really gonna be very good members, and accept that they are unacceptable to the Church that has chosen to believe that way.