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Gameface said:
This is my favorite post of the thread.

Also, everyone, we've given Beanclown massive amounts of **** over the years. I'm pretty sure this MFer is a millionaire at this point or will be soon. Does that make anyone else feel kind of like crap?

Congrats Beantown! Seriously.
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I'm an equal opportunity offender, so no.
 
Gameface said:
This is my favorite post of the thread.

Also, everyone, we've given Beanclown massive amounts of **** over the years. I'm pretty sure this MFer is a millionaire at this point or will be soon. Does that make anyone else feel kind of like crap?

Congrats Beantown! Seriously.
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You have always been the biggest dick to me. Anytime I post I can always count on a cutting remark from you waiting in the wings.
 
Beantown said:
You have always been the biggest dick to me. Anytime I post I can always count on a cutting remark from you waiting in the wings.
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Well, "He who laughs last laughs hardest."

I wish you the best, honestly.
 
Gameface said:
Well, "He who laughs last laughs hardest."

I wish you the best, honestly.
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No doubt I have been an immature punk in the past. But I appreciate the support. If my business goes down in flames you will be the first to know, so you can take pleasure in my failure.
 
Beantown said:
1. Fossil fuels have more subsidies than renewable. 4X in fact. That's why it's cheap.
2. Costs on our health and cleanup sites are never factored into the actual costs of it's production.
3. Utilities have some of the highest margins out there. Why do you think Warren Buffet invests in them?
4. Take climate change out of the equation. Nobody can argue against air pollution. Utah is the perfect example. Asthma in Utah is skyrocketing and the valley is brown most of the time. Not to mention now that pollution haze is making it's way to the Utah national parks thanks to the coal industry.
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Interesting. Do you know of a source I can investigate to see the actual costs and subsidies? I didn't realize fossil fuels were subsidized, and I don't understand the thinking behind that at all.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Interesting. Do you know of a source I can investigate to see the actual costs and subsidies? I didn't realize fossil fuels were subsidized, and I don't understand the thinking behind that at all.
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It's an easy Google.

I've been reading up. Unreal how much subsidy wind gets. Disgusting, tbh.
 
Not sure how to ask this.. but I have a phenomenal advantage over others when it comes to access to land with natural gas (think stratospheric) but have no idea how to "drill" or access the gas and what all it entails.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Interesting. Do you know of a source I can investigate to see the actual costs and subsidies? I didn't realize fossil fuels were subsidized, and I don't understand the thinking behind that at all.
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Yea many people don't know this. They just think of solar incentives because they are more widely known. Because those incentives can go straight to the consumer rather than billion dollar oil companies.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/09/fossil-fuel-subsidies_n_5572346.html
 
Dr. Jones said:
Not sure how to ask this.. but I have a phenomenal advantage over others when it comes to access to land with natural gas (think stratospheric) but have no idea how to "drill" or access the gas and what all it entails.
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I'm sure you just need a geologist to do a site assessment. Go watch Gasland on Netflix so it persuades you not to do this. :)
 
It appears that at least some of what they are calling fossil fuel subsidies are really write offs available to any business. For instance, every business purchases equipment for production and writes it off on their taxes. I'm certain solar companies write off their trucks the same way that oil companies do. I don't think it makes sense to call this sort of thing a subsidy.

Another portion of the subsidies are for energy saving measures. These might not be such a bad idea either.

But I think there are also some actual subsidies where fossil fuel companies are receiving a special incentive, while our government is simultaniously taking all sorts of measures to prevent the use of fossil fuels. That seems crazy to me. I would love to see information that really gets to the bottom of this. I haven't been able to find anything so far.

But [MENTION=54]Beantown[/MENTION], I'm a lot more impressed by your arguments for this than I expected to be. If the costs of producing solar electricity really are comparable to the costs of using coal I would participate in your program. Personally, I want to make sure that I'm not simply doing a feel good thing. I want to participate in programs that actually make sense.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
It appears that at least some of what they are calling fossil fuel subsidies are really write offs available to any business. For instance, every business purchases equipment for production and writes it off on their taxes. I'm certain solar companies write off their trucks the same way that oil companies do. I don't think it makes sense to call this sort of thing a subsidy.

Another portion of the subsidies are for energy saving measures. These might not be such a bad idea either.

But I think there are also some actual subsidies where fossil fuel companies are receiving a special incentive, while our government is simultaniously taking all sorts of measures to prevent the use of fossil fuels. That seems crazy to me. I would love to see information that really gets to the bottom of this. I haven't been able to find anything so far.

But [MENTION=54]Beantown[/MENTION], I'm a lot more impressed by your arguments for this than I expected to be. If the costs of producing solar electricity really are comparable to the costs of using coal I would participate in your program. Personally, I want to make sure that I'm not simply doing a feel good thing. I want to participate in programs that actually make sense.
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Where did you find/hear that solar is comparable to coal?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
It appears that at least some of what they are calling fossil fuel subsidies are really write offs available to any business. For instance, every business purchases equipment for production and writes it off on their taxes. I'm certain solar companies write off their trucks the same way that oil companies do. I don't think it makes sense to call this sort of thing a subsidy.

Another portion of the subsidies are for energy saving measures. These might not be such a bad idea either.

But I think there are also some actual subsidies where fossil fuel companies are receiving a special incentive, while our government is simultaniously taking all sorts of measures to prevent the use of fossil fuels. That seems crazy to me. I would love to see information that really gets to the bottom of this. I haven't been able to find anything so far.

But [MENTION=54]Beantown[/MENTION], I'm a lot more impressed by your arguments for this than I expected to be. If the costs of producing solar electricity really are comparable to the costs of using coal I would participate in your program. Personally, I want to make sure that I'm not simply doing a feel good thing. I want to participate in programs that actually make sense.
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I appreciate the feedback and nice comments. Hoping the rest of the country sees it this way as we hopefully expand.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Where did you find/hear that solar is comparable to coal?
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Beantown claimed the fossil fuel subsidy was four times the solar subsidy. If that's really true then the actual cost of producing solar might be a lot closer to the cost of coal than it appears. So far my research has only caused me to become more confused about what the real costs are.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Beantown claimed the fossil fuel subsidy was four times the solar subsidy. If that's really true then the actual cost of producing solar might be a lot closer to the cost of coal than it appears. So far my research has only caused me to become more confused about what the real costs are.
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Those facts are assuredly as real as the rubies on Dorothy's shoes.
 
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