Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

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hahahaha.

Have I in any way moderated your sentiment?

As for my happiness. Don't worry about that, I am just fine. Life is great.

Yes, your presence as moderator has changed the way I use this board.

 

[Tony]

Posting crap is common of you. I have in no way defended his words or opinions. But that would be honest of you to point that out. You stopped being honest long ago.

 

[Stoked]

Yes, your presence as moderator has changed the way I use this board.

As long as you follow the rules than you are responsible for any change in your posting. Not me, any other mod or anyone else. I'm sorry you feel/felt the need to change.

Fell free to post anything you like within the rules. Including your crusade agaisnt me, have fun with it even. It's all good.

Edit: I'll even join in. I cannot stand Stoked. He posts his personal opinions on every single topic in every single thread. Then disapears at 4. Wish he'd disappear from 7-4 as well. What a tool bag. I'd hate to view the world the way he does. He is a misreable, no good, overly opinionated jackwagon. We were so much better off without him.

 

[Stoked]

Lol, made me laugh.

 

[Hantlers]

Yes, your presence as moderator has changed the way I use this board.

If it's making you use it less, then I say we keep Stoked as a mod.

 

[franklin]

Posting crap is common of you. I have in no way defended his words or opinions. But that would be honest of you to point that out. You stopped being honest long ago.

You're defending the rights of the white racist without exception or legal context while going after the black players and outright denying them any rights. According to you, the contract binds the black players to the white owner no matter what and without exception, and there can never be any repercussions by the Association against the white guy.

The evidence speaks for itself: Stoked is a serial racist defender.

 

[Stoked]

Since me being a mod is a hot topic.

I would step down if the other mods wished me to or they found someone they felt would be better at it and wanted to replace me.

Lol at the hate they get though. It is fairly lame to be honest.

 

[Stoked]

You're defending the rights of the white racist without exception or legal context while going after the black players and outright denying them any rights. According to you, the contract binds the black players to the white owner no matter what and without exception, and there can never be any repercussions by the Association against the white guy.

The evidence speaks for itself: Stoked is a serial racist defender.

ok.

 

[mellow]

Would you make all of his current players who want to leave free agents, then? And give draft picks the option whether or not to accept his pick?

Personally I feel that forcing/strongly encouraging him to sell the team would be FAR less disruptive to the league than those types of options.

That would mark the end of the NBA. Players could cry racism, discrimination, bigotry, unfair work place etc whenever they didn't like their team or contrCt situation. You would have 100 or more Derek fishers every season. Utter chaos.

This is truly a sticky mess for the nba and Silver & company are going to have to navigate this just right. If they misstep they risk creating a precedent or an environment in which there are major shifts in the fundamental nba landscape.

 

[fishonjazz]

According to you, the contract binds the black players to the white owner

The contract binds the white players to the owner too.

 

[fishonjazz]

The contract binds the white players to the owner too.

Contracts dont see skin color

 

[Stoked]

That would mark the end of the NBA. Players could cry racism, discrimination, bigotry, unfair work place etc whenever they didn't like their team or contrCt situation. You would have 100 or more Derek fishers every season. Utter chaos.

This is truly a sticky mess for the nba and Silver & company are going to have to navigate this just right. If they misstep they risk creating a precedent or an environment in which there are major shifts in the fundamental nba landscape.

I can see the point Colton is making though, for the rookies at least. I wonder if this will lead to the possible expansion or voting of new powers for the league. Such as the commisioner being able to grant any drafted players, before their first player option/contract extension (not team option), the ability to be an immediate free agent.

Would have to be granted by the commish and maybe supported by 1/2 the owners maybe?

 

[Getting Traded]

That would mark the end of the NBA. Players could cry racism, discrimination, bigotry, unfair work place etc whenever they didn't like their team or contrCt situation. You would have 100 or more Derek fishers every season. Utter chaos.

This is truly a sticky mess for the nba and Silver & company are going to have to navigate this just right. If they misstep they risk creating a precedent or an environment in which there are major shifts in the fundamental nba landscape.

They're smart guys, all of them lawyers, so they should be able to find a legal loophole that would force him to divest his interests in the team. Geez, I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me there would be plenty such options. Of course, you need to read the NBA's Constitution but I have read some opinions by legal experts that say it's definitely feasible.

 

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If it's making you use it less, then I say we keep Stoked as a mod.

It's making me post more, in various ways.

And, **** you.

 

[franklin]

Contracts dont see skin color

Those going after the players for protesting certainly do. No doubt those outraged at the Clippers wearing jerseys inside out would have the opposite sentiment if it were white players as victims of racism.

 

[Stifle Tower]

As long as you follow the rules than you are responsible for any change in your posting. Not me, any other mod or anyone else. I'm sorry you feel/felt the need to change.

Fell free to post anything you like within the rules. Including your crusade agaisnt me, have fun with it even. It's all good.

Edit: I'll even join in. I cannot stand Stoked. He posts his personal opinions on every single topic in every single thread. Then disapears at 4. Wish he'd disappear from 7-4 as well. What a tool bag. I'd hate to view the world the way he does. He is a misreable, no good, overly opinionated jackwagon. We were so much better off without him.

Finally, a post I can agree with 100%!

JK, Stoked. You're a decent chap, even if you are a mod. It's a thankless job and you're always going to ruffle a few feathers along the way.

 

[fishonjazz]

No doubt those outraged at the Clippers wearing jerseys inside out would have the opposite sentiment if it were white players as victims of racism.

I doubt it

 

[Stoked]

I doubt it

Of course we would feel the same. But that does not allow franklin to play Fox News/MSNBC.

 

[Stoked]

It's making me post more, in various ways.

And, **** you.

Good.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Those going after the players for protesting certainly do. No doubt those outraged at the Clippers wearing jerseys inside out would have the opposite sentiment if it were white players as victims of racism.

For the record, I support any protest the players want to make outside of not playing. Jerseys inside out may have looked silly, but it was a way of "doing something" and harmless enough. And I salute Doc Rivers for turning down a meeting with Sterling and indicating he will step down if Sterling remains as owner.

I also support "free speech" but not freedom from consequences. Sterling is certainly free to spout any vitriol he desires, just as you or I or anyone else can express our beliefs and feeelings for any race, religion, political party, etc. But he should also expect to face any fallout from his actions. Were the NBA a "free market," it would likely follow that his business would suffer accordingly, with many employees, customers and vendors opting to deal with another company. But he has a protected franchise, one of only 30 nationwide.

Publicly, Silver needs to fine and suspend Sterling to the maximum level he can under ownership bylaws. Privately, he then needs to make Sterling understand the consequences of continuing to own the Clippers: i.e. loss of sponsorship $, likely cancellation from luxury box holders, etc. Silver can aid in the sale of the franchise (Magic's group is quickly coming together) or Sterling can fight to retain control, lose tens of millions each year and see the franchise lose a ton of value as it spirals out of control and the Clippers struggle to find ANY players that want to sign with them. I think Sterling can be convinced to sell. But an owners vote is not the way to do it.