Just curious, would you consider spoken word poetry to be music?
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Just curious, would you consider spoken word poetry to be music?
Nothing worse than white people complaining about "reverse racism". Being white is awesome, stop complaining.
Holy **** lol. Do you even listen to rap music? Sampling and making a good song isn't an easy thing that anyone can do. It takes a lot of musical talent. You are exposing yourself as a dumb-*** and someone who doesn't know anything about music.
No that he doesn;t like it, but by putting it in quotes, he is questioning if it is even music. I don't like some music, but I don't question if it can even be considered music.
As a really ignorant person who has little to no understanding of music.
This appears to be orthagnol to the topic, but the answer is sure.
At some point you can start thin slicing to the point of "someone just talking" but I'm sure that musical tradition encompasses stylized and/or percussive speaking.
The issue is not what constitutes music. I don't think there is any doubt among anyone reading this board that there is a genre of music called hip hop and/or rap or any number of subgenres thereof. That is not seriously in dispute.
What you see in statements like the one here:
is a moment in which the very way the sentence is structured reveals a lot about the person writing it. The black speaker "spouts racist slurs" the white person "uses the same words" thus putting the onus for negative behavior on the black person while the well-meaning white man is the one who is merely following along. The mode by which the black person is speaking can't be called a song or music, it has to be qualified as quote music unquote. The only reason to do that is to make the reader aware that what the "rapper" is doing isn't actually artistic expression, but he calls it music and isn't that cute?
That the writer is white and is placing himself in a position to judge that which he is defining as "other" to himself as art or not art, music or not music, worthy or not worthy is, in all honesty, a classic example of white privilege at work. It came so naturally, that he continues to unproblematically assert that it's not music because the people who make it aren't even talented enough to play their own instruments, in full ignorance of how such music is actually created and apparently without any reference to entire acts like the Roots that play on national television virtually every night. I don't even know what to say about it anymore. But he says he's got some black friends so that makes it ok I guess.
How DARE he not like rap music and not appreciate it's artistic nature! Clearly he is an idiot.
I think your outrage at the use of quotes around the word music is a bit misplaced, that's all. The entire context of his statement is what is questionable, and arguing the use of quotes around a particular word seems diversionary to the discussion.
I let myself get angry when I post. One of the advantages of not being a moderator anymore.
When they do studies about employment, and white people without criminal records get hired less often than black people with criminal records, then you can complain about racism against whites. When you put out two resumes, one with a traditionally white name and one with a traditionally black name, and the resume with the black name gets five times the number of responses, then you can complain about racism against whites. When white people get stopped by police more often then blacks, arrested more often for the same offense, face stiffer charges for the same offense, get steeper penalties for the same level of offense, and get paroled less often, then you can complain about racism against whites.
Instead, it's the white criminals who are easier to employ than black non-criminals, the white resumes that get responses, and the black people who get the short shrift at every level of the criminal justice system. I don't really care that you got your feelings hurt, whitey. After it happened, you went back to your school where you were treated better by almost every teacher there than a comparable black kid would have been treated, and since then you['ve been treated better by pretty much every person you've worked far. The name-calling was an aberration in your life. In the lives of minorities, the name calling they receive is an additional burden to all the other injustices received on a regular basis, yet one more reminder that they are otherized and don't belong.
You're pretty damn lucky that, as a white person, your biggest issue in race relations is you have to be careful who you call names. Stop whining and grow up.
Just like any other crime, it depends on the reasons. Do you have some reason to think the police ignore/downplay crimes committed against white people, or prosecutors are reluctant to bring the most serious charges against suspects when the victims are white? Let me reassure you, whitey; white victims get better police response, and their assailants get much stiffer penalties, than happens for black victims.
You mean, like when that black kids car broke down, and he knocked on a couple of doors trying to get help, but the white kids decided he was a threat, so they killed him? You don't think that's racism in play?
It would help if there were more of a relationship between your hypotheses and reality.
Racism is defined by the social oppression directed at people because of the color of their skin. I agree that skin color is not the relevant factor in the definition, but it is relevant in any individual application. You have never experienced racism, obviously.
Most people advocating for social justice would agree that it is today's and tomorrow's unfairness that needs to be addressed, not yesterday's unfairness except to the degree it play's into today's.