Looking for genuine discourse re:Jay-Z/NBA

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Question for you on 5. Do you think babies are born racist, or is it learned?

I think babies are born with a reliance on the various shortcuts that lead to racism, but the racist beliefs that buttress racism are mostly learned. There have been studies that even very young babies show a preference for light skin, though.

 

[Stoked]

I think babies are born with a reliance on the various shortcuts that lead to racism, but the racist beliefs that buttress racism are mostly learned. There have been studies that even very young babies show a preference for light skin, though.

I wonder if society (American at least) is leading towards a preference for skin tones in the middle. The palest and darkest amoung us get mocked for their skin tone quiet heavily.

 

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Take this with a grain of salt, I think it was skewed one way, but I might have to do it again to be sure. My first impression right after was that they put African American pictures then a "bad" word back to back more often than with a "good" word, and they put European American pictures then a "good" word more often than with a "bad" word following. It was fast though, so that was just an impression. I also think I messed up a couple of times, and those errors are why I got the result I got. I'm pretty sure I'm closer to right in the middle. *(maybe the quick mistakes are what they are going for though).

The quick mistakes are exactly what they are going for. I'm sure it's imperfect, but it's one way of reaching behind the conscious into the initial, habitual reactions. Supposedly, you make more mistakes tying together things you think are dissimilar than things you think are similar.

By the way, I'm impressed with the integrity of posting your results.

It is interesting how the larger percentages from this "survey" end up favoring European Americans, but am unsure if it has something to how they tie the words and pictures together. If they are 50/50 in how they split it up, and if they do another one where they first associate bad with European American pictures it might skew the results that way as people first learn to associate "bad" words with European American pictures and will keep that association when they start to change things up.

Basically I find it interesting, but find it leading and am not sure to what extent. Would like to see a second one with the change I mentioned and would like an even split on both of good and bad associated with the different pictures.

The quick mistakes are exactly what they are going for. I'm sure it's imperfect, but it's one way of reaching behind the conscious into the initial, habitual reactions. Supposedly, you make more mistakes tying together things you think are dissimilar than things you think are similar.

I agree that the test should be done in a variety of ways, and I would never say one test like this reveals all there is too know about you. It's merely one data point in a life of data points.

Oh, just noticed the picture graph didn't show up in the quote. It showed 27% 27% 16% for strong, moderate, and slight white preference, 17% little to no preference, and 6% 4% 2% for slight moderate and strong preference towards blacks.

I don't remember my exact graph, but it was tilted very slightly to African Americans last time I took the test. By contrast, I took similar tests years ago, and I seem to be very biased against Hispanics and Native Americans. It's something I'm trying to work on.

 

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For #3 I'd go with:

3- racism can be an expression of a cultural and social structure. It can also be is just a bunch of individual actions.

Actions can be racist, but racism requires social support.

 

[Stoked]

Actions can be racist, but racism requires social support.

I disagree. Racism does not "need" social support. Social support clearly makes racism more damaging and deep though.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Actions can be racist, but racism requires social support.

I disagree. Racism does not "need" social support. Social support clearly makes racism more damaging and deep though.

So basically Stoked did a restate of #3 of the differences in the definition/understanding of racism.

Stoked feels you can have racism on an individual level as well as on a cultural/social level. OB feels racism can only be on a social/cultural level and that on an individual level it is not racism, but racist actions.

Can we agree that this is one point of disagreement?

 

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(maybe the quick mistakes are what they are going for though)

Here's an explanation from a different test:

Your score was described as 'preference for David compared to Michael' if you were faster responding when David and positive stimuli were assigned to the same response key than when giving the same response to the Michael and positive stimuli. Conversely, your score was described as 'preference for Michael compared to David' if you were faster responding when Michael and positive stimuli were assigned to the same key than when giving the same response to the David and positive stimuli. Depending on the magnitude of your speed difference for the two combination tasks, your automatic (implicit) preference may be described as 'slight', 'moderate', 'strong', or 'little to no preference.'

I don't know if that applied to the first test.

 

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Just because someone wrote an essay does not automatically make their views reflective of the attitudes of our society.

There's a difference between "someone wrote an essay" and seeing essays on a regular basis.

However, perhaps you mean essays are not a sufficient response. What would be sufficient response?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Here's an explanation from a different test:



I don't know if that applied to the first test.

Maybe it did. I don't remember much in the way of how quickly I responded.

 

[Stoked]

So basically Stoked did a restate of #3 of the differences in the definition/understanding of racism.

Stoked feels you can have racism on an individual level as well as on a cultural/social level. OB feels racism can only be on a social/cultural level and that on an individual level it is not racism, but racist actions.

Can we agree that this is one point of disagreement?

I think that is fairly clear. To me at least.

 

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People who are poor have issues combating prejudice. ... I always see this as a socioeconomic issue.

Even wealthy black men, dressed in suits, were stopped and frisked in New York City. Being upper class does not make one immune from the effects of racism.

 

[franklin]

Do you know of any studies that show a breakdown by income? I'm more interested in the details than the overall, and have a bit of a hard time believing at face value that there's significant discrimination at the, say, $60k + level.

I'm also interested in finding out if Asian names garner more attention than whites. If I were an employer then I'd interview every Asian name before anyone else based on their stereotypical work ethic.

Bumping this since it's typical of O_B to ignore anything that doesn't promote his agenda.