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Mandatory education at 3 years age

I'm just impressed you provided an actual link.
 
Stoked said:
Does home schooling and other such educational courses count as "graduating" in your solution?

Not on board with implanting contraceptives in girls.

I possibly could be persuaded on the draft. Honduras has soem of their special forces patrol with local police units. If they catch young adults gangbanging and what not the forcibly conscript them into the military.
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I'm not sure about home-schooling and such.
 
Is there more divorce (single parent families) today?

Definitely seems like both parents must work nowadays to make ends meet than in the past
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
1)There have always been bad parents but imo, there has been an increase in them. I am curious about how the urbanization of America over the last 100 years may have played a role in this.

2)We're not as bad on the world stage as many of these articles would like you to believe. Many of those reports aren't even close to apples to apples comparisons.

3)My solution? Re-instituting the draft, inserting contraceptive implants into all females at the age of 12, and having all kids meet the requirement of graduating high school (or getting their GED) by a certain age and then either furthering their education or finding meaningful employment thereafter within 24 months are just a few of the things I'd strongly consider.
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1) I disagree. Anecdotally, the regular violence that I experienced and participated in when I was in school is something my kids and others that I know don't experience.(at least not to the same degree) My parents were boomers and the horrible parenting job they did as a group is evident in the high crime rates of the eighties and nineties.

Pick 3 data points that you think would be important then compare the numbers(per capita please) from 90-94 to 2010-present. IIRC teen pregnancy is down, crime rates are down, and graduation rates are up.

2)I agree

3) Holy ****in christ Mr. Gestapo.
 
fishonjazz said:
Is there more divorce (single parent families) today?

Definitely seems like both parents must work nowadays to make ends meet than in the past
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To me there has been dramtic shifts in the make up of the traditional family.

More single parents
More families with both parents working
More inter faith families
More inter race families
More same gender families
More unmarried families
More unengaged parents brought on by a number of things, imo

Soem positives and negatives above but the net effect of all this is a rise in inadequate parenting, imo.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
They can expect to be drafted any time after 19.5 years of age.
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The last thing we need is more uneducated soldiers. How about drafting them into civil service programs that can teach them a trade. They get paid a wage to improve society. Building new roads, etc. They learn a trade for a few years, and learn something that will make them a productive member of society.

If you force the bottom rungs to attend school, the schools would spend more time and resources on the uncaring at the expense of those that want to contribute to society. Maybe a combination of this along with dividing people into schools based on test scores. The top students can excel at a faster pace, and will be a great benefit to our society when they get into the workforce. The bottom rung can still get an education, whether in school or through the draft.

Roughly 10% of students do not graduate from high school. That would be a fairly large draft pool.
 
We have shifted to a point where citizens feel they are entitled to everything. Until we can change that mindset, we are going to keep sinking further and further as a nation, including education.
 
JAZZGASM said:
We have shifted to a point where citizens feel they are entitled to everything. Until we can change that mindset, we are going to keep sinking further and further as a nation, including education.
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Some add the youtube clip from "Newsroom" about America no longer being the greatest nation in the world anymore. Hard hitting honesty and I really like it.
 
heyhey said:
1) I disagree. Anecdotally, the regular violence that I experienced and participated in when I was in school is something my kids and others that I know don't experience.(at least not to the same degree) My parents were boomers and the horrible parenting job they did as a group is evident in the high crime rates of the eighties and nineties.

Pick 3 data points that you think would be important then compare the numbers(per capita please) from 90-94 to 2010-present. IIRC teen pregnancy is down, crime rates are down, and graduation rates are up.

2)I agree

3) Holy ****in christ Mr. Gestapo.
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We have to have a license or be a certain age to drive a car, own a weapon, drink, vote, etc. Why not the right to bear children? People prove time and again they have no interest and no right to be a parent.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
We have to have a license or be a certain age to drive a car, own a weapon, drink, vote, etc. Why not the right to bear children? People prove time and again they have no interest and no right to be a parent.
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Before we move on to this ridiculously authoritarian plan of yours I want you(or stoked) to provide any reasonable evidence for your claim that there are more "bad parents". The kids(and I'm not even talking about my own which would be biased)today are more reasonable and better behaved. Fathers in particular are way more attentive and likely to actually be in the kids life than when I was a kid. My parents were considered decent parents back then but would be considered **** parents by todays standards.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
We have to have a license or be a certain age to drive a car, own a weapon, drink, vote, etc. Why not the right to bear children? People prove time and again they have no interest and no right to be a parent.
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I see your point, but it would never pass constitutional muster. It is one of the reasons I am OK with abortion.
 
heyhey said:
Before we move on to this ridiculously authoritarian plan of yours I want you(or stoked) to provide any reasonable evidence for your claim that there are more "bad parents". The kids(and I'm not even talking about my own which would be biased)today are more reasonable and better behaved. Fathers in particular are way more attentive and likely to actually be in the kids life than when I was a kid. My parents were considered decent parents back then but would be considered **** parents by todays standards.
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One would have to define "bad parents". I don't take that to mean they are bad people. There are a number of reasons someone could be considered a bad parent.

Rise in single parents and households with both parents working. Directly takes time away from parenting.

But I don't see this as something that one can "prove" one way or the other. Just opinion as already stated.
 
Where's PearlWatson to top off this cupcake of a thread?

What this country "needs" is less Debbie Dogooders pointing fingers at everyone and more people keeping their noses in their own business. Bad parents, single mothers, fix this, do that, blah, blah, blah. Chill out, other people will be okay living their lives the way they want and not how you desire.


JAZZGASM said:
We have shifted to a point where citizens feel they are entitled to everything. Until we can change that mindset, we are going to keep sinking further and further as a nation, including education.
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Stoked said:
Some add the youtube clip from "Newsroom" about America no longer being the greatest nation in the world anymore. Hard hitting honesty and I really like it.
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SMH. Maybe boobs is right about us all being a bunch of media brainwashed tools. It's laughable to say America is in decline when we live in the most prosperous time ever, our output is at all time highs, tech is advancing at an incredibly rapid pace, our military might is ungodly, workers are making more money and consuming more than ever....

Decline is a media invented myth that plays on your fears. I don't get how people your age keep falling for the same old fear mongering tactics time and again.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
There have always been bad parents but imo, there has been an increase in them. I am curious about how the urbanization of America over the last 100 years may have played a role in this.

We're not as bad on the world stage as many of these articles would like you to believe. Many of those reports aren't even close to apples to apples comparisons.

My solution? Re-instituting the draft, inserting contraceptive implants into all females at the age of 12, and having all kids meet the requirement of graduating high school (or getting their GED) by a certain age and then either furthering their education or finding meaningful employment thereafter within 24 months are just a few of the things I'd strongly consider.
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I would leave this country if we re-instituted a draft. It's a pretty big scar on America.
 
Stoked said:
To me there has been dramtic shifts in the make up of the traditional family.

More single parents
More families with both parents working
More inter faith families
More inter race families
More same gender families
More unmarried families
More unengaged parents brought on by a number of things, imo

Soem positives and negatives above but the net effect of all this is a rise in inadequate parenting, imo.
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What I bolded in particular makes me have less respect for you. ****** lovers, *******, and apostates we just don't hate them enough anymore.
 
AKMVP said:
lol, you may have thought about yourselves that way but for the rest of the world USA was never "greatest nation".
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You act like this is some great surprise. I have no problem with citizens of other nations thinking they are or were the greatest country on earth. I wouldn't agree but I wouldn't have to make snide comments to try and make myself feel better either.
 
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