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Game Thread Mar 14, 2022 08:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Bucks

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Oh my god this.
One of the worst games i have ever seen of guys (especially donovan) missing gobert for easy ones.


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For lots of it they weren't even trying, as per usual. It wasn't until after halftime that Conley made an effort and it had nearly immediate benefits. Why they do not make that a primary focal point is beyond me. Apparently beyond Quin and most of the team too.
 
He took about an 18 foot wing jumper! He missed it but just barely. It looked really good. Hopefully he takes a few more in the future.


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It was down and out, not a bad shot at all. Let him shoot 3-5 of those a game and he will start making them with some regularity. He just needs confidence. We have all seen the videos of him hitting those easily in practice, and we see it in warmups at the games too. No reason he can't take that shot when they back off of him. Favors had to develop that shot as well, he didn't have it when he first got to us, and it has been good for him for years now.
 
Wife and I are in Paris so I skipped this one. Sounds like more late-game nonsense from Quin and DM? DM grew up watching the Carmelo Knicks and has always defended Carmelo. That lends to a reinforcement of the way a team is good is having “the guy” who will “put his team on his back” and “will them to victory.” It’s more of a nice theoretical storyline than it ever is a reality. But it plays out in how some guys approach the game. The problem that we have is that Quin is much less of his tough-guy reputation and coaches more how I imagine Michael Scott would. He wants everyone to think he’s nice and cool and gives the people he perceived as great way too much slack. Then he’ll have his irrational hatred for those he sees as Toby. What this creates is an absolutely awful combination where Don does his best Carmelo and the only guy who can stop it doesn’t want to piss him off. Quin is supposed to be this savant genius, but when it comes down to it, he’s got nothing and he defers all decision making to a 24 year old that looks up to Carmelo.
IDK… he had one bad turnover but they had Holiday and Carter out there so it wasn’t easy to assess things with those guys on your ***. He had good looks at the basket… he definitely got fouled on a layup but then committed a dumb *** foul.

This team just has an anxiety that builds… it starts at its Royce passing up a wide *** open three and then you end up getting nothing on the possession remotely close to that look. Then they miss a couple free throws… then Rudy puts up a layup and gets fouled and the layup rims out… and it slowly builds until we are full on ******** the bed. I’m a vacuum the loss isn’t that big a deal. They honestly shouldn’t have won the game when they didn’t have a couple rotation players and weren’t shooting completely lights out. It’s just that end of the third you are up 11 I’m a very winnable situation and a couple fouls go the wrong way (refs were really sucky last night) and the mental makeup of this team is a cross between Eeyore and George Castanza… it’s just broken. I really think we lose to Dallas in the first round if we can’t figure out how to win close games again. I don’t think we were always great at it but we weren’t this ******.
 
This team has so many issues. First and foremost is team defense. We are a sieve and Rudy can only cover so much blatant crap. I think House could help us plug some of those holes, now he is having an MRI on his knee. I would say that our lack of size and athleticism in the backcourt and wing spots, and general inability to play perimeter D, is our #1 problem. It helps Whiteside and Rudy put up big numbers, does not help us win games. But since our opportunity to address this issue has passed for this year we are stuck with what we have. So, barring some defensive renaissance for the entire team, we are destined for an early playoff exit again.

Our #2 problem is our inability to continue playing with focus after we get a big lead. We give up way too many big leads and it is primarily due to lack of focus and effort. This leads to problem #3, and is tied to problem #1.

Then our #3 problem is our inability to close games. I am not even just saying clutch games, but in general. It is tied directly to #1 and #2, but it is a real problem that we abandon our vaunted offense right when we need it most to resort to hero ball and bad decision-making, mostly by DM. Conley needs the ball in his hands 80% of the time at the end of games. Look at how the Bucks handled the end of the game. Their legit MVP candidate hardly touched the ball. They trusted their primary play-maker, who feasted on our terrible back-court defense by the way, to lead them through their offense, with Giannis as a focal point, but not the ball-dominant scorer forcing **** against the teeth of the defense. He took his touches in the flow of the offense and through sheer hustle.

We could go on and on about this stuff, but these 3 things must be addressed in some way if we are to make any noise in the playoffs. Unfortunately problem #1 is the lynch-pin, hence its spot at the top of the list. By fixing #1 we would have had a strong impact on #2 and #3. But we lost our opportunity to do much there, so that makes doing anything with #2 or #3 that much harder.

And to me, a lot of this is on the FO and on Quin. The FO for not getting better pieces when they have had so many head-scratcher moves in recent years when better options were available, and Quin for not figuring out problem #2 and #3 to help us close out games.
Well said man
 
This team is George Castanza… yeah I’m rewatching Seinfeld so maybe I’m stretching but when things are going right for George he gets over confident, lazy, sloppy… when things take a slight turn he freaks out and makes a super mess of things. He can’t get out of his own way.

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IDK… he had one bad turnover but they had Holiday and Carter out there so it wasn’t easy to assess things with those guys on your ***. He had good looks at the basket… he definitely got fouled on a layup but then committed a dumb *** foul.

This team just has an anxiety that builds… it starts at its Royce passing up a wide *** open three and then you end up getting nothing on the possession remotely close to that look. Then they miss a couple free throws… then Rudy puts up a layup and gets fouled and the layup rims out… and it slowly builds until we are full on ******** the bed. I’m a vacuum the loss isn’t that big a deal. They honestly shouldn’t have won the game when they didn’t have a couple rotation players and weren’t shooting completely lights out. It’s just that end of the third you are up 11 I’m a very winnable situation and a couple fouls go the wrong way (refs were really sucky last night) and the mental makeup of this team is a cross between Eeyore and George Castanza… it’s just broken. I really think we lose to Dallas in the first round if we can’t figure out how to win close games again. I don’t think we were always great at it but we weren’t this ******.
Agreed. We have some mental stuff we have to overcome if we want to have a chance in the playoffs where we will need to win close games. I had a high school football coach who used to have us do visualization drills. Everybody hated them and thought they were pointless, but I don't know, maybe the Jazz need to do something like that.
 
This team is George Castanza… yeah I’m rewatching Seinfeld so maybe I’m stretching but when things are going right for George he gets over confident, lazy, sloppy… when things take a slight turn he freaks out and makes a super mess of things. He can’t get out of his own way.

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They need to start doing the opposite of every instinct they have.
 
Wife and I are in Paris so I skipped this one. Sounds like more late-game nonsense from Quin and DM? DM grew up watching the Carmelo Knicks and has always defended Carmelo. That lends to a reinforcement of the way a team is good is having “the guy” who will “put his team on his back” and “will them to victory.” It’s more of a nice theoretical storyline than it ever is a reality. But it plays out in how some guys approach the game. The problem that we have is that Quin is much less of his tough-guy reputation and coaches more how I imagine Michael Scott would. He wants everyone to think he’s nice and cool and gives the people he perceived as great way too much slack. Then he’ll have his irrational hatred for those he sees as Toby. What this creates is an absolutely awful combination where Don does his best Carmelo and the only guy who can stop it doesn’t want to piss him off. Quin is supposed to be this savant genius, but when it comes down to it, he’s got nothing and he defers all decision making to a 24 year old that looks up to Carmelo.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
 
Wife and I are in Paris so I skipped this one. Sounds like more late-game nonsense from Quin and DM? DM grew up watching the Carmelo Knicks and has always defended Carmelo. That lends to a reinforcement of the way a team is good is having “the guy” who will “put his team on his back” and “will them to victory.” It’s more of a nice theoretical storyline than it ever is a reality. But it plays out in how some guys approach the game. The problem that we have is that Quin is much less of his tough-guy reputation and coaches more how I imagine Michael Scott would. He wants everyone to think he’s nice and cool and gives the people he perceived as great way too much slack. Then he’ll have his irrational hatred for those he sees as Toby. What this creates is an absolutely awful combination where Don does his best Carmelo and the only guy who can stop it doesn’t want to piss him off. Quin is supposed to be this savant genius, but when it comes down to it, he’s got nothing and he defers all decision making to a 24 year old that looks up to Carmelo.
Lmao we got people coming around to my thought process regarding Mitchell
 
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