Game Thread Mar 25, 2024 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Mavericks

[FalseFlagg K]

The are the 6 teams with the most projected cap space....any takers there? DET maybe lol. Spurs, probably not but probably the second most realist. One team not listed....the Hornets (probably the best fit).

1. Pistons: $61.3M
2. 76ers: $55.3M
3. Jazz: $38.0M
4. Thunder: $35.3M
5. Magic: $25.6M
6. Spurs: $25.4M


H/T Keith Smith

Does anyone remember if there were any other possible John Collins trade destinations, or just any other potentials at all? I guess LAC potentially if they want to nuclear on their salary and use a human trade exception.

I don't see it happening. I guess we'll see another year of Collins being the starter and Walker is just a backup.

it's a shame JC is paid too much He'd be terrific as a backup big

 

[KqWIN]

I guess it's more important that the Jazz move on from Clarkson. Moving him in a straight salary dump would ensure max cap space for the next two summers (or close to it). Despite his horrible play, I'm hopeful we could find a taker or dump him at minimal cost. I guess this only matters if we find a use for our caps space though. Is there even a free agent we want/can get?

 

[Shad]

Keyonte is looking really bad right now, and when I say now, I mean the last 10 games at the least

 

[sip]

Keyonte is looking really bad right now, and when I say now, I mean the last 10 games at the least

More like the last 5 games. He has clearly hit his rookie wall.

 

[HermanG]

Keyonte is looking really bad right now, and when I say now, I mean the last 10 games at the least

I'm beginning to think Keyonte might be Jordan Clarkson 2.0. A guy who can get scorching hot and dominate the offensive end on a good day but who gets into slumps when he becomes borderline unplayable. Same kind of emotional charracter and both also inconsistent on their effort on defense.

To be fair, its hard to call that in a players rookie year and we dont know how he progresses. But his scouting reports from HS and College both highlight the streaky nature of his game. If Key becomes a better version of Clarkson, thats not a bad player to have though.

 

[framer]

I'm beginning to think Keyonte might be Jordan Clarkson 2.0. A guy who can get scorching hot and dominate the offensive end on a good day but who gets into slumps when he becomes borderline unplayable. Same kind of emotional charracter and both also inconsistent on their effort on defense.

To be fair, its hard to call that in a players rookie year and we dont know how he progresses. But his scouting reports from HS and College both highlight the streaky nature of his game. If Key becomes a better version of Clarkson, thats not a bad player to have though.

Keyonte is quite clearly a floor general, something you would never confuse Jordan Clarkson with.

 

[kabenac]

Ten more games left in the season.

Ohm thank goodness! Light at the end of the tunnel!

 

[HermanG]

Keyonte is quite clearly a floor general, something you would never confuse Jordan Clarkson with.

He definitely has better passing chops than Clarkson, but I wouldnt call him a floor general... at least not the way he has been playing recently. Both Sexton and Clarkson set up others more frequently and consistently than Keyonte.

He is good at controlling pace and does keep his eyes up, and doesnt just dribble inside unless he means it, which are all big differences between him and Clarkson.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The are the 6 teams with the most projected cap space....any takers there? DET maybe lol. Spurs, probably not but probably the second most realist. One team not listed....the Hornets (probably the best fit).

1. Pistons: $61.3M
2. 76ers: $55.3M
3. Jazz: $38.0M
4. Thunder: $35.3M
5. Magic: $25.6M
6. Spurs: $25.4M


H/T Keith Smith

Does anyone remember if there were any other possible John Collins trade destinations, or just any other potentials at all? I guess LAC potentially if they want to nuclear on their salary and use a human trade exception.

I don't see it happening. I guess we'll see another year of Collins being the starter and Walker is just a backup.

With John a move will happen under a couple/few scenarios:

- Maybe a sign and trade option where a team without much or any space wants him plus something rather than watching a guy leave for nothing.
- A team with dead salary Nets/Bulls moves an expiring for him. FO admits defeat but gets out from the last year. Bulls particularly could have interest if Williams gets too pricey as they could sell themselves on Collins Vuc being a fit. They also love being mid so this seems like it works. Doubt the Jazz admit defeat though.
- We apple juice Collins. Just like a juice company you add in some fancy fruits or veggies mix it with a lot of cheap apple juice and sell it as some healthy elixir. So you add a couple picks to Collins for a starter level player or star... Collins drags the value down but as a FO you can sell it as being part of the plan even though you likely had to add another pick or something to make the value work.
- Find a sucker. Pistons look like the only sucker that might end up having no one to give their space to... so they bite to have a vet. Its a bad fit but Pistons love bad fits.

 

[Tanktastic]

It’s not at all but go on ahead.

Ya that was a weird post.

Lauri playing might lift a 50/50 game to 57/43. And he would increase a 30/70 game by the exact same amount to 37/63. The same expected win probability added in both cases.

You migh feel that swinging a 50/50 game is more meaningful, but for the end result it is not.

If you disagree, I strongly, strongly encourage you to make millions with that info. Because then Vegas and all the gambling odds are wrong pretty much every night in the NBA and you can easily make millions quickly.

 

[framer]

With John a move will happen under a couple/few scenarios:

- Maybe a sign and trade option where a team without much or any space wants him plus something rather than watching a guy leave for nothing.
- A team with dead salary Nets/Bulls moves an expiring for him. FO admits defeat but gets out from the last year. Bulls particularly could have interest if Williams gets too pricey as they could sell themselves on Collins Vuc being a fit. They also love being mid so this seems like it works. Doubt the Jazz admit defeat though.
- We apple juice Collins. Just like a juice company you add in some fancy fruits or veggies mix it with a lot of cheap apple juice and sell it as some healthy elixir. So you add a couple picks to Collins for a starter level player or star... Collins drags the value down but as a FO you can sell it as being part of the plan even though you likely had to add another pick or something to make the value work.
- Find a sucker. Pistons look like the only sucker that might end up having no one to give their space to... so they bite to have a vet. Its a bad fit but Pistons love bad fits.

There would probably be interest in him as an injury replacement. You lose a big to a season ending injury at the start of next year, Collins starts to look real attractive.

I mean players are being given contacts as living salary exceptions. Collins is that plus he is a pretty good offensive piece. This isn't like the old NBA where you can carry massive cap space from year to year. You are required to spend a lot more as a percentage than in past years

 

[homeytennis]

Dunn, Luka, THT and Kira Lewis all will be free agents next season. Add Knox's and OPJ's salaries that's a hefty amount of cash to spend. I wonder if Dunn's suspension may have soured the Jazz on him.