Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

[CONAN]

Would you let someone who drinks alcohol once a week babysit your kids?

Nope.

 

[GVC]

I'm talking about taking in something to purposely alter your mind.

And again, why is that wrong? You've continually avoided that question. I want an actual reason. What is so wrong about altering your mind from time to time?

Just because you consume a mind altering drug from time to time doesn't mean you don't function normally (responsibly) the rest of the time.

And, no, there is a pretty clear distinction between something being criminal and irresponsible. I don't consider it my responsibility to uphold unjust laws. Period.

I have in fact watched kids of people who don't smoke weed (who also knew I smoke weed from time to time). Because they don't smoke weed, I don't smoke weed around them, and I certainly wouldn't smoke weed around children. That would be irresponsible.

And you don't have to smoke weed to receive its effects. The benefit of smoking it over eating it is that its much easier to regulate dosage/effect through smoking than it is through eating (and the onset of the effects are immediate, rather than an hour later).

 

[CONAN]

but all I see from him is "Living the sober life I am like so morally and spiritually superior to you empty souled losers who need a drug to carry on with your pitiful lives."

That's not what is meant. And if I posted that than sorry. I don't think I did and I think some of you guys are being uber-defensive but if I said that in a post or even intimated it that wasn't my intention.

Let's get this out of the way or it's just gonna get messy in here: I'm not perfect. Far from it. I'm sure on another subject you guys could murder me on it. I got no doubts. But what we're talking about here involves you guys (potheads). And saying something is wrong doesn't mean I think I'm superior to or spiritually better (don't know how religion got brought in). It just means I think it's wrong. Get over it. I got family that do drugs. That doesn't mean I think I'm better than them. I disagree with what they do and have serious issues with it but that doesn't mean I'm better. I'm sure there are things they do better than me. Just like there are things you guys probably do better than me.

I disagree with fellow teachers and coaches all the time and we all have to deal with it. But there is repoire(sp?) there. There is none here.

If I can't post without you guys going postal about perceived slights (whether by your fault or mine) then there's really no point in continuing.

 

[CONAN]

Whatever. They even give me Marinol while I'm in the ER. No baseless claims of lying can change that fact.


Sheesh you guys really like to argue/debate here. I used to be more game for this sort of thing before the narcotics. I'm about to head upstairs and hit up some GDP mixed with some AK47. I'll tell you this: nothing works on my RA quite like vaporizing Honey Oil on the Ti pad. It's more difficult to keep around because it takes a lot of marijuana to make it but while smoking heavy Indicas treat pain and swelling, the oil seems to make the disease go into remission. I've been thinking about trying to make it Rick Simpson style with larger amounts, then ingest the oil. We'll see.

It was a joke. I was making fun of Salty who throws the liar lable out when someone disagrees with him.

 

[CONAN]

If instead the assertion is "illegal drugs are bad", you leave yourself open to some pretty glaring contradictions, as most illegal drugs also have medicinal properties and are widely used as medicines (opiates being a perfect example).

No question. For example, I disagree with alcohol use but it is legal. I think legality is just a small piece of the pie. If it's all a position is based on that could be dicey.

I see no reason why I should feel ashamed of this behavior, or otherwise feel compelled to discontinue use.

You don't have to feel ashamed. It's a free country.

 

[GVC]

So you meant no offense saying anyone who smokes weed is an irresponsible sad case who has mush for brains. Got it.

 

[CONAN]

And again, why is that wrong? You've continually avoided that question. I want an actual reason. What is so wrong about altering your mind from time to time?

I haven't avoided that question. Initially the defense I've read in posts has been about weed being natural. So I have been addressing that assertion by saying purposely altering your mind when you don't need to is unnatural.

I've mentioned criminal wrongness but you blow that off.

I and you have mentioned negative consequences.

What more are you looking for? I can certainly get religious here but don't see the point. Yet I think that's right where you want to go.

Just because you consume a mind altering drug from time to time doesn't mean you don't function normally (responsibly) the rest of the time.

I never said otherwise.

And, no, there is a pretty clear distinction between something being criminal and irresponsible. I don't consider it my responsibility to uphold unjust laws. Period.

You and I have a different take on citizenship then. Plenty of laws I think are bogus but I roll with them or if I break them I do so completely ready to take on the consequences.

 

[CONAN]

So you meant no offense saying anyone who smokes weed is an irresponsible sad case who has mush for brains. Got it.

No, I'm still rolling with that generally speaking.

 

[GVC]

I'm ready to take on the consequences, which would indicate responsible behavior. At the same time, I've actually been active in trying to get laws changed. Again, responsible.

And again, the benefits outweigh the negative side effects (which, I might add, or much more benign than your average pharmaceutical product) for A LOT of people. Hell, I honestly think regulated, responsible use of psychotropic substances is good for most people in certain situations. There's really no need to throw the baby out with the bath water here.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Abuse of cannabis is bad (yes, a tautological statement). Its psychotropic properties, long-term and short-term side effects, and medicinal properties should be considered carefully when making decisions about use (just as with all drugs...and, well, anything you consume/do). With that said, many people receive benefit from its use, and unless the damage it causes to the individual or his community/society is greater than the benefit, I see no reason why it should be prohibited entirely.

Even if there were no benefits at all, it still should not be up to the government to determine if you are allowed to smoke weed or not.

If you think people will hurt others if they abuse it, then make hurting others illegal (it probably already is). But the government has no right to make somebody else's morals into law. They can and should protect citizens from others, but they have no right to tell anyone not to do something that isn't going to hurt anyone else in any way.

 

[GVC]

Smoking weed is irresponsible

I understand the consequences- both positive and negative- of use, and am willing to live with them. Further, I don't let cannabis get in the way of my responsibilities (I don't smoke during the day). How is that irresponsible in any way?

 

[CONAN]

I'm ready to take on the consequences, which would indicate responsible behavior.

I don't think it indicates that. If you want to murder someone and are ok with the consequences that doesn't mean your behavior is responsible.

At the same time, I've actually been active in trying to get laws changed. Again, responsible.

Agreed.

And again, the benefits outweigh the negative side effects for A LOT of people.

I disagree.