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Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

TroutBum said:
On the surface? Nothing. They mean the same thing. It's the fact that you take my words, change them around, and put them in quotations as if it's exactly what I said. It's just one of the many bull crap tendencies that you have; anything to win an argument. And to repeat, this is the second time in this thread that you've done it.
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So I changed everything around to win an argument- by posting something that means the exact same thing as what you said???

lol, whatever man. Feel free to substitute "ridiculously awesome" everywhere I said "epic." Does it change anything? No. Just one of your sideshows. Your argument is still weak whether I claim you said "epic" or the "ridiculously awesome" that you actually did say. My bad for not digging through the almost 60 pages between 2 threads to find the actual quote. But props to me for posting something that meant the same exact thing anyway.
 
My argument is weak? Thousands and thousands of reports by pot smokers and practically every website that has to do with marijuana beg to differ. On the flip side, ONE person on this site agrees with you. But hey, those people are probably smoking something that is laced or are probably suffering the effects of other drugs. Or they're just lying (like me) because drug use is soooo cool!
 
TroutBum said:
My argument is weak? Thousands and thousands of reports by pot smokers and practically every website that has to do with marijuana beg to differ. On the flip side, ONE person on this site agrees with you. But hey, those people are probably smoking something that is laced or are probably suffering the effects of other drugs. Or they're just lying (like me) because drug use is soooo cool!
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There are not "thousands and thousands" of reports by pot smokers begging to differ. If you read any of those thousands and thousands of links, they are mostly message boards like this. And there will be one post with someone saying they had a hallucination, and 100 replies saying it was probably an acid flashback or weed that was laced.

It's not ONE person agreeing with me. GVC agreed too. So did Agoxlea. Good thing you didn't bet every nickle you have like you said (or whatever the exact wording was, mr semantics).
 
SaltyDawg said:
There are not "thousands and thousands" of reports by pot smokers begging to differ. If you read any of those thousands and thousands of links, they are mostly message boards like this. And there will be one post with someone saying they had a hallucination, and 100 replies saying it was probably an acid flashback or weed that was laced.

It's not ONE person agreeing with me. GVC agreed too. So did Agoxlea. Good thing you didn't bet every nickle you have like you said (or whatever the exact wording was, mr semantics).
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You didn't read very far then. My kids and I read one thread to the end, a good 20 pages or so. The vast majority of it was people having similar experiences or people saying, in effect "well I never hallucinated, but I did see things" etc., with a sparse few claiming they did not think it happened but didn't deny it could. In not one single thread did I find "hundreds" of replies to posts about hallucinations outright refuting the claim of hallucination. Some did mention they thought it was most likely laced or something, but plenty of others attested to the purity of their strain, the fact that they did not use other drugs, but that they still hallucinated. In this thread Nate pointed out that he had hallucinated and therefore was careful not to imbibe so heavily that he caused it again. Please point out the thread with hundreds of refutations to each claim of hallucination.

Personally I love your claim that you can't trust what the druggies say because they are trying to sound cool. So can we trust what the drug users here in this thread are saying? How do we know the rest of you aren't trying to sound cool? So you, and you alone, among drug users are telling the truth, the rest aren't? Interesting.
 
LogGrad98 said:
You didn't read very far then. My kids and I read one thread to the end, a good 20 pages or so. The vast majority of it was people having similar experiences or people saying, in effect "well I never hallucinated, but I did see things" etc., with a sparse few claiming they did not think it happened but didn't deny it could. In not one single thread did I find "hundreds" of replies to posts about hallucinations outright refuting the claim of hallucination. Some did mention they thought it was most likely laced or something, but plenty of others attested to the purity of their strain, the fact that they did not use other drugs, but that they still hallucinated. In this thread Nate pointed out that he had hallucinated and therefore was careful not to imbibe so heavily that he caused it again. Please point out the thread with hundreds of refutations to each claim of hallucination.

Personally I love your claim that you can't trust what the druggies say because they are trying to sound cool. So can we trust what the drug users here in this thread are saying? How do we know the rest of you aren't trying to sound cool? So you, and you alone, among drug users are telling the truth, the rest aren't? Interesting.
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No, I am not saying to trust me and me alone. I am saying I posted a study that equated moderate to heavy doses of marijuana as being equal to drinking enough to be at 0.05% BAC (well below the legal limit) and just fine to drive (with police and driving instructors unable to detect any impairment).

Are you suggesting that someone well below the legal alcohol limit is experiencing Alice in Wonderland? Are you saying police and driving instructors couldn't detect impairment in people that were living Alice in Wonderland?

If you're still talking about "closing eyes and seeing a lightshow" then I agree, as I have said many times, that is possible and some people refer to that as a hallucination. Nobody in their right mind would refer to it as an epic hallucination though (excuse me, a ridiculously awesome hallucination). And it certainly doesn't impair your driving either, so not sure how it fits into this discussion. Well, other than to play on words and distract from the real discussion.

Nate said he could get hallucinations only when he had smoked so much that he wouldn't be capable of operating a vehicle anyway. I take that to mean he couldn't get up off the couch. And that is also out of the scope of discussion here. I have said all along that you can be pretty impaired but you won't be able to go do anything when you hit that level. And also, I'm pretty sure (without going back and digging for his post) that Nate said he had seen Carl Sagan colors and such (which GVC also said and I agreed with), not Alice in Wonderland "ridiculously awesome hallucinations." Thinking purple looks a lot nicer than it did yesterday is not a hallucination in my book. Maybe it "technically" is, but I certainly wouldn't say it's a danger when driving or call it a "ridiculously awesome hallucination."

As for your thread disputing it:
https://www.marijuana.com/surveys-polls-questions/151273-can-marijauna-cause-hallucinations.html

Note one of the responses:
"I've had the same thing after too much caffiene, hallucinations are different."

lol, classic. I guess I'm not the only one that said it was like too much coffee, but in reverse.

Another link:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarijuanaIsLSD
 
https://marijuana-uses.com/mr-x/

I suddenly realized that I was examining an intricately detailed miniature Volkswagen, distinctly outlined by the shadows. I was very skeptical at this perception, and tried to find inconsistencies between Volkswagens and what I viewed on the ceiling. But it was all there, down to hubcaps, license plate, chrome, and even the small handle used for opening the trunk. When I closed my eyes, I was stunned to find that there was a movie going on the inside of my eyelids. Flash . . . a simple country scene with red farmhouse, a blue sky, white clouds, yellow path meandering over green hills to the horizon. . . Flash . . . same scene, orange house, brown sky, red clouds, yellow path, violet fields . . . Flash . . . Flash . . . Flash. The flashes came about once a heartbeat. Each flash brought the same simple scene into view, but each time with a different set of colors . . . exquisitely deep hues, and astonishingly harmonious in their juxtaposition. Since then I have smoked occasionally and enjoyed it thoroughly. It amplifies torpid sensibilities and produces what to me are even more interesting effects, as I will explain shortly.

I can remember another early visual experience with cannabis, in which I viewed a candle flame and discovered in the heart of the flame, standing with magnificent indifference, the black-hatted and -cloaked Spanish gentleman who appears on the label of the Sandeman sherry bottle.
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So is this guy total BS that he hallucinated as he describes? Decide before you click on the link.
 
LogGrad98 said:
https://marijuana-uses.com/mr-x/



So is this guy total BS that he hallucinated as he describes? Decide before you click on the link.
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My guess is he had probably done a lot of acid and the weed triggered an acid flashback. Either that or the weed was laced.

I guess it could be weed alone, but I would need more context in order to wager a guess.

Did he see a shadow and think it resembled a Volkswagon? People do that stone cold sober. I wouldn't call that an awesome hallucination.

Or did he not know it was a shadow and think he was looking at a real Volkswagon? I would say that is an awesome hallucination. And if that's the case (which I doubt) then he probably did a lot of acid in the past and was having a flashback.

As for the light show with eyes closed, I never disputed that, only disputed that it should be called an awesome hallucination or that it impairs driving.
 
Marijuana is cool, the fact that it is illegal seems stupid, but it makes no sense to drive after smoking it, regardless if its supposedly a minor or a major effect. The debate as to whether its safe to drive while under the influence or not seems quite foolish to me; if you're unsure of its effects, then don't do it. People ****ing crash their cars enough these days as it is. Is there really much more that needs to be said in this thread? This all coming from a person who has never smoked anything, so take my assertions with a grain of salt I guess. I know a lot of you cannabis-enthusiasts would love Alberta though, stuff is dirt cheap (and apparently high quality)
 
dalamon said:
Marijuana is cool, the fact that it is illegal seems stupid, but it makes no sense to drive after smoking it, regardless if its supposedly a minor or a major effect. The debate as to whether its safe to drive while under the influence or not seems quite foolish to me; if you're unsure of its effects, then don't do it. People ****ing crash their cars enough these days as it is. Is there really much more that needs to be said in this thread? This all coming from a person who has never smoked anything, so take my assertions with a grain of salt I guess. I know a lot of you cannabis-enthusiasts would love Alberta though, stuff is dirt cheap (and apparently high quality)
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Pizzas from the local pizzeria won't pick themselves up.
 
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