Marvin Williams 2 years 14 mill to the hornets

[carolinajazz]

2 years for 14 million? 7 million per year? Got any more money you want to throw away???

 

[UGLI baby]

Not from what i remember.

I remember everyone think that biedrins and jefferson were garbage that we had to take on in order to get GS draft picks. Some people thought rush might be decent but most believed that jefferson was just something that we HAD to take on to get the draft picks and that he wouldnt be a big part of our team.


I dont remember anyone predicting that he would start..... other than to make a joke about corbin vet love

Yup.


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[infection]

Here's a thread from 8/11/13 where OP asks how much Jefferson will be hated:

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?18345-How-much-will-Richard-Jefferson-be-hated-by-Jazz-fans

He'll start, so... a lot.

People are expecting Ty Corbin, the guy who played Kanter and Favors more than 30 minutes a combined total of 8 times between them last year, the guy who DNP'd Alec Burks for 22% of last season on top of getting limited MPG when he actually played, we're expecting this guy to be trotting out a starting lineup of essentially rookies, with no 'veteran experience,' overnight? Corbin will change his spots over the offseason?

Just because we've all come to a consensus of the direction that we need to be headed, and management has made some moves indicative of that, doesn't mean our coach is going to magically sequester these vets -- league proven vets -- into roles as bench warmers.

On a side note, I support starting Jefferson as it seems the only way to force Corbin's hand at putting Hayward at the 2, which I don't think he'd be able to come up with in his own.

And then Fish's response to the above:

I hope, and think, you are wrong

I don't think the jazz would've spent all that money for bottom dwellers and let all our vets go that are 100 times more talented and valuable.

I'm pretty sure the plan is to see what the young players can do, and if for some wired reason Ty doesn't play the young guys, he'll be out.

I'm betting the jazz have told Ty not to stress wins and losses, just improve his in game management, and help the c4 + Burke succeed. If this was any other year I'd probably agree, but everything the jazz have done screams the young guys getting a very long look. The biggest tell for me is the signing of Lucas. With a rookie pg the only pg on the roster you'd think the jazz with all that money would get a capable vet to start while Burke was brought on slowly.

Infection I hope this put you at some ease.

Other people in this thread, including Nate and Hack, acknowledge high likelihood of Jefferson getting a lot of burn.

 

[infection]

Here's a thread from 7/26/13 where people are erroneously arguing about whether Burks or Rush will start.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?18345-How-much-will-Richard-Jefferson-be-hated-by-Jazz-fans

Jefferson will start, which I'm okay with as it will push Hayward to the 2.

The Core4's response to the above:

I agree.
Rush is coming back from a serious injury. I don't see him starting. I think the plan is to have Burks be the playmaker on the 2nd unit. Hopefully he will still get 25 mins/per. Maybe bring RJ out at the 8 min mark of the 1st quarter, bring in Burks and have Hayward slide to the 3.

Burks, who WILL start? Richard Jefferson

Bottom line: yes, a lot of the board, despite all obvious sense, thought Jefferson would be relegated to the end of the bench. But there were more than just a handful of people who thought he'd play quite a bit, if not start.

 

[infection]

And last, here's an 8/19/13 beantown thread asking who will be the first big guy off the bench (Biedrins or Gobert). One thing I was wrong about with Biedrins, but the rest is/was pretty dead-on, just with Williams:

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?18525-First-big-man-off-the-bench/page3

Could very well be Kanter. As I've said before, don't discount one or both of Jefferson and Biedrins starting. I remain very skeptical about Corbin starting 'two rookies' (a problem he created) in the front court. Despite us going with the 'youth movement,' it's a huge pride pill to swallow to take every guy that Corbin hid on the bench last year and insert them into a starting lineup. Kanter played 15 mpg last year. I expect about a 40% chance Biedrins starts and 80% chance Jefferson starts. The other guys will get minutes by default, so if they're not starting it's bit like anyone can tell Corbin they're not getting minutes. Starting Biedrins gives him an opportunity to protect his pride in a win-win situation where he plays guys minutes and gets the fanbase/management off his back and also gets the satisfaction of feeling he's still in charge. Don't mean to rain on the parade but just prepping for the inevitable suicidal ideations coming this November.

Burke
Hayward
Jefferson
Favors
Biedrins

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The Hornets want him. That pretty much confirms everything we thought of him.

They wanted Hayward too. Uh oh.

 

[fishonjazz]

Here's a thread from 7/26/13 where people are erroneously arguing about whether Burks or Rush will start.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?18345-How-much-will-Richard-Jefferson-be-hated-by-Jazz-fans



The Core4's response to the above:







Bottom line: yes, a lot of the board, despite all obvious sense, thought Jefferson would be relegated to the end of the bench. But there were more than just a handful of people who thought he'd play quite a bit, if not start.

Funny that you said you would be ok with jeffy starting

Smd

 

[infection]

Funny that you said you would be ok with jeffy starting

I was, mostly because I didn't/don't see Corbin with the mental capacity to place Hayward at the 2 without something forcing his hand. Also because of a tank, which wasn't as solidified then. The idea that Jefferson would play and start was not unprecedented or something that nobody could have predicted, which I'd assume you're now acknowledging.

Smd

Gross.

 

[fishonjazz]

I was, mostly because I didn't/don't see Corbin with the mental capacity to place Hayward at the 2 without something forcing his hand. Also because of a tank, which wasn't as solidified then. The idea that Jefferson would play and start was not unprecedented or something that nobody could have predicted, which I'd assume you're now acknowledging.

Sure

 

[VINYLONE]

Cool. Glad he found some work.


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[franklin]

If I get some time I'll have to dig up some old posts. Everyone knew they were both trash. Corbin's track record includes giving heavy minutes to a guy who's previous stint was with the Harlem Globetrotters (Bell), mindlessly playing Josh Howard after an injury, not allowing Kanter or Burks to ever hit the floor, etc. the writing was on the wall. I stated Jefferson would start and that there was at least a 25% chance Biedrins started. I was off on the last one as he never played. But this was not a crazy prediction. I was amazed that there were even more than a handful of people who thought Jefferson would be sitting on the bench.

I remember all the radicals who thought Biedrins would start.

 

[infection]

I remember all the radicals who thought Biedrins would start.

I actually don't remember many, if any, other than myself. Could be wrong, though.