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Marvin Williams Underated and maybe even hated By JF

nightmare3983 said:
His contract doesn't make him a bad player. He's a decent player with a bad contract.
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I know but when taking the "value" to the team of a player into account, you gotta take a look at the contract imho.

if we had ak at 6-9 million back in the day he would be hated far less. than his max contract.
 
Jazz4ever said:
I've been waiting for basketballvalue to update the adjusted +/- but think the guy got hired by an NBA team. Millsap led the Jazz the last two years in this category with flying colors.
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It shouldn't be too hard. I mean just take the opponent 5 man lineup's +/- and the minutes that the +/- was computed for and BAM! Much better than +/-. I just think that it's a very raw stat that needs some conditioning to be put to use effectively.

vegas said:
That's why JJAS gave 7 other stats to compare. I think we all understand that it has to be taken in context.
Zman has it right, Marvin has the tools, Demarre has the motor.
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Don't get me started on per 36 minute stats.
If everyone played as intense in 10 minutes as they would for 36 minutes, then the NBA would be a bunch of Lebron James'. (Exaggerating, but you get the point).

I get it though, Marvin isn't playing better than Carrolle as far as rebounds, points, steals, go.. Kudos to that and I agree with the bolded part for sure.
 
candrew said:
Other than knocking down the occassional 3, Marvin brings nothing to the table that DeMarre Carroll doesn't.

You can't kill the decision to bring Marvin to Utah - it was worth a shot. But I'm already ready to move on.
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Even then...


Demarre and Marvin essentially shoot the same % from 3

AND

Per 36
Demarre is superior in Orebs, points (with less fga), rebs (by a lot), asts, stls (again by a lot [double]), and less t/o's,


Marvin is in no way more helpful than Demarre.
 
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