Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)

[Zerol]

How the hell can they frontload a contract like that? Do they have the cap room?? $9.2M?? that doesn't make any sense. can someone please explain (or link me to the post that did)?

 

[Borat]

Borat, your hindsight-driven "no matter what they do, I'll find something about it that's less than perfect and then claim it should have been avoided" game is stale.

Matthews ended up gittin what, for him, is a "max offer," i.e. the maximum money, for the maximum years, with the maximum allowable frontload. What would YOU have offered him BEFORE he ever talked to anyone? $34 million over 5 years with "only" $8 million the first year, instead of $9 million? Either way it's max money, to be paid, sooner or later. If you were KOC you would have instantly offered him the max, even knowing you had the right to match IF he got such an offer, that it? Sure glad KOC is the GM, and not you.

If you would have offered him sumthin LESS than the max, who's to say KOC didn't make a similiar offer (not that I think what YOU would have done is of any particular interest or relevance, but...).

When the reports were that Matthews was offered substantially LESS than the max (25 million, not $34) YOU said that was too much to pay and that he should have been offered even less than that. Again, who says he wasn't? Whatever he was offered, he wouldn't take it. All we know is that he was offered less than the max. So your claim is NOW that he should have instantly been offered the max, that it?

I need the result, Hopper. Korver was there for 3 years 15 mil too. Yet we let him go also. If KOC knew Wes was so expensive based on intense negotiations with him, perhaps he should have extended offer to Korver. Yet Korver said he never got an offer at all from KOC. Now we (likely) lost them both. In addition to Booz. This is after dumping Maynor and Brew last year too. How can you be happy about losing all this talent and having nothing but a draft pick to replace it? I want to see some action. Forget Wes, and use money saved to get us Jefferson. Do something to improve the team. Losing 5 good players over last half a year is not going to make us better.

 

[David Stern]

How the hell can they frontload a contract like that? Do they have the cap room?? $9.2M?? that doesn't make any sense. can someone please explain (or link me to the post that did)?

It counts against the cap as the MLE (5.7 Million or whatever) because teams are allowed to give signing bonuses of up to 20%.

 

[David Stern]

okay, time for Plan C.

Deron takes year off relaxing er uh recovering from an 'injury'. Like San Antonio.
Trade AK, & memo for draft picks or players on rookie contracts.
Put Sloan out to pasture and let the Ty Corbin era begin.
Find a bunch of scrapy guys with feel good stories- sign them to one year contracts WITH TEAM OPTIONS ON THE 2 & 3 year.
Hope the ping pong balls bounce your way next summer (Can't miss three times in a row, can they?)

This isn't a bad idea honestly. I'll probably get criticized for not being a fan for wanting us to lose next season, but it helps us out in the long run. Plus, i'm David Stern anyways, so I'm obviously a Heat/Lakers fan.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

So where would matching Matthews put Jazz payroll at? Probably right up to the LT with more roster spots to fill?

We just unloaded Boozer and Korver. Last year, we unloaded Brewer, Harpring and Maynor. How are we at the tax threshold?

 

[Ben10]

We were 10 million over the Lux tax last year. Right now we are 11 million under the tax. Thats a 21 million dollar swing. But we are right at the cap and still need to add a few more guys to the roster.

 

[InGameStrategy]

It's not the money that I'm complaining about, it's the timid approach they've taken. Yes, I am a fairly big Booz AND Kyle homer and would have loved to see both of them back. Unfortunately, I knew from the start that wasn't likely and I understand that the hands of the organization were tied in terms of offering that money. It's the way they are going about the free agency procedure that bothers me. I have been pretty close to a fairly prominent source the last few weeks (not trying to pull an IJM here) and the things he's told me have disappointed.

On the night of free agency, there were 10 playoff teams and another 5 bottom feeders/on the brink teams that called Kyle. The Jazz were the last one. Their excuse for not getting a hold of him sooner? They "lost" his phone number. Please, that doesn't happen.

Utah already had Hayward. While the "lost his number" excuse is weak, calling him at all was a matter of courtesy.

I was told that the Jazz were working vigorously to keep Booz, but as soon as they heard the first offer they didn't want to get in a bidding war and essentially backed out.

Working at all to keep Booz--except for a S&T--was working too hard.

With Wesley, I feel like they could have been more proactive about contract talks with him rather than sitting around and waiting for somebody else to set his market value way too high. Now maybe he was already thinking big and that's why they ended talks with him, but I wish they would have been a little more aggressive.

It's understandable that they would let the market set the price.

That strategy was OK for CJ; $4 million per year is decent for a borderline-or-better starter.

Portland is being a rich-kid bully. Not cool. All Utah did wrong is not making his original contract longer. They should've seen more potential in him than a rookie minimum.

 

[InGameStrategy]

As one of Mathews biggest homers, at that price, see ya later. Thanks for working hard every day. THanks for playing great defense on a team desperate for someone willing/able to give their best every day. Alas, while strong, you are average in height and your ceiling is not much higher than reality. You got your 1800% raise. You can be replaced.

By whom?

 

[billyshelby]

By whom?

How hard do you really think it is to replace him? Per 48, Matthews is around 28th amongst shooting guards in every statistical category. He was 17th in steals. I'd say replacing him will be fairly easy, and at half the price.

 

[BENTLEY]

Depending on the extent of the hamstring injury - bring back Brewer. He's not without his faults, but neither is Wes. Better value for the money.

 

[Hopper]

All Utah did wrong is not making his original contract longer. They should've seen more potential in him than a rookie minimum.

Just stop, willya, S2? Matthews had, performance-wise (although perhaps not effort-wise) a less than stellar performance in the summer league. He was strictly cheap insurance when the Jazz took him on. You, in effect, seem to be claiming that they "should have known" at training camp, that he was a better player than Brewer and decided to instantly ship Brewer off while signing Matthews for a longer term on the cheap.

For you, I guess it's convenient and satisfying that YOUR hindsight is 20/20, and that it allows you to mislead the credulous with a false appearance of foresight into believing that you have more grounds for claiming your own superiority as a GM over KOC. But it's simply a game for suckers, and you're not fooling anyone else. But you are, in the process, more or less slandering the Jazz management. But, then again, I guess that's all you're really here for to begin with, eh?

 

[Jeditiger]

I hope we sweep Portland again.