Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)

[InGameStrategy]

Because the Jazz flex offense has tons of options run off of it that is designed to maximize each individual skills. For example, both Brewer and Korver run the same curl play, but Brewer would be best to cut hard off it to the hoop while Korver takes a steeper angle to get an 18 footer or a pass to the screener. Same play, different option to run it.

Sounds like you are knee-deep in a semantics argument. Whether it's a different play or the different option to a play, AK and especially Brewer have tended to find themselves in different roles from WM and CJ. It seems that Kiri puts himself more in the position of a three-point shot more than Brew but less than KK or Catch 'n Jack. That seems like different roles (or different options of the same play) to me. The play might start as a 1-2-2, but it don't end that way.

 

[Hopper]

S2, it's all a matter of judgment. Most contracts to players of undetermined value are NON-GUARANTEED, so that you can cut them at any time, even 1 or 10 days into the season. Because there is no real risk, you can take a "risk" on them. You can't do that with multi-year contracts, so far as I know. The Jazz DID misjudge the value of Matthews. That is now apparent to everyone. But the mere fact that they did misjudge his value does not prove that they "should have known better."

You act as though you are in a position to know what they should have known AT THE TIME. You aint, and you weren't then, so stop the pretense to the contrary.

There have been cases where suicidal people "threaten" police with an unloaded gun, which they refuse to drop while pointing it at, and approaching, the police, until such time as the threatened cops shoot. In every case the victim's Mama claims the cops "murdered" her boy in cold blood BECAUSE the gun was unloaded. You sound just like that Mama.

 

[YB85]

And why the hell are you talking about the summer league only? Player evaluation starts long before the trip to Florida. As a matter of practice (not just with Matthews), Utah should offer more than one measly year to players who are halfway coherent and well behaved. You offer an undrafted player the equivalent of a late 1st-round pick's salary, and he'll accept it for a couple of years right out of college.

So you think that Matthews' 6.2ppg and 35% FG in the summer league and 6.5ppg and 43% FG in preseason should have alerted the Jazz that they should lock this guy up for more than one year? Had Korver and Miles been healthy, Matthews would likely have been cut, but you think the Jazz should have signed him for two years. Amazing.

 

[InGameStrategy]

S2, it's all a matter of judgment. Most contracts to players of undetermined value are NON-GUARANTEED, so that you can cut them at any time, even 1 or 10 days into the season. Because there is no real risk, you can take a "risk" on them. You can't do that with multi-year contracts, so far as I know. The Jazz DID misjudge the value of Matthews. That is now apparent to everyone. But the mere fact that they did misjudge his value does not prove that they "should have known better."

Unfortunately we can't go back in time and test what we would have thought then. But signing rookie FAs usually takes place with more information than choosing NBA draftees because the rookie FAs have usually played some league ball or might have worked out more, even after the draft took place. And my contention here is that some players should be signed for more time. Should an undersized PG such as Dee Brown be given more than a year guaranteed? Probably not--and he wasn't. Kudos to the Jazz. (See? I can praise, not only criticize. Not sure why are acting like such an apologist.) Should James Augustine get more than a year guaranteed? Definitely not. Should Matthews have been signed to two years guaranteed, based on the information available at the time? I say yes, just like Gilbert Arenas was (not that WM= GA). I still don't know why you're so hypersensitive to such analyses.

 

[Hopper]

Should an undersized PG such as Dee Brown be given more than a year guaranteed? Probably not--and he wasn't. Kudos to the Jazz. (See? I can praise, not only criticize. Not sure why are acting like such an apologist.) Should James Augustine get more than a year guaranteed? Definitely not. Should Matthews have been signed to two years guaranteed, based on the information available at the time? I say yes, just like Gilbert Arenas was (not that WM= GA). I still don't know why you're so hypersensitive to such analyses.

I have no problem with you stating your speculative opinion, or your strictly personal preferences, S2, that aint the problem. I can say I like vanilla ice cream better than chocolate, and you can say the opposite, again, no prob.

I don't like the pretense than you are somehow in a better position (better informed, better judgment) to decide these things than the experts who are intimately acquainted with the facts and who have far greater experience and expertise than you.

Your critiques of Sloan are representative. You always act as if, and even claim, at least implicitly, you know more or less exactly what Sloan, his coaching staff, KOC and the Millers know--what Sloan says to his players, all the details of every player's mental and physical health, exactly how they have performed in practice, etc., when you don't. You simply take on all the mannerisms of an insufferable bore with such pretenses.

 

[Jazz4ever]

That is alot of money for Matthews, about in line with what Korver, Miller, and Morrow are getting. Sloan loves him though, and the Jazz have exceptions up the wazoo, so see them matching.

EDIT: Whoa I see it is actually 5/34 not 5/25 that is quite insane for Portland to do with their depth. There is no way KOC in his right mind matches this.

 

[Nate505]

I love Matthews, but I pray the Jazz don't match this. That is an insane contract, and frankly, who's to say that Jazz can't find a system player that can duplicate what he did anyway.

 

[candrew]

KOC will do his ultra-conservative best in a non-conservative business to use the TPE's. He'll get nowhere and some time over the next 7 days Greg Miller (like most mediocrities when backed against the wall) will panic and say "well, gee guys we need to do something" and instruct KOC to match the Blazers offer sheet.

That's basically it - Matthews is staying.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I didn't feel like reading every single post in this thread but from what I have read, I've gathered this. The offer was 5 years, 33M. That's 6.6M per. Wow, like almost everyone else on here I have to agree. Let him walk. To play devil's advocate though, consider this about his game. While slightly undersized, he is still a very good defender. Not average defender. He's a very good on the ball defender. That's huge in and of itself. Then, offensively, he's not great but for our fifth option, he's solid. He shot 48% from the floor which is excellent for a guard, 38% from three which is about average, 83% from the line, and put up some okay stats in other areas. I personally think we'll match. I don't think we should. However, if we don't, who else is out there? We'd have to sign some wing, no?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I can totally live with Miles starting at the 2 and AK at the 3 with Hayward off the bench. However, that leaves us very thin especially with Mr. Glass being one of those three rotation guys. So who else is out there who can fill a similar role as Matthews but perhaps from the bench? Roger Mason maybe? Would Mason be worth 3 years, 9M?


Also, the guy seems to be a bit of a cancer but what kind of feelers is Josh Howard getting around the league I wonder. Matt Barnes? And, <swallow>, Ronnie Brewer?

 

[memo is money]

Memo - declining ability, maxed out potential, will he be ready to play a full season. Certainly replaceable.
Millsap - undersize, is he a starter, certainly replaceable.
CJ - Finally started earning his money but we have had to wait four years. Were his numbers better than Wes. Certainly replaceable. Is he a starter?

So what is your point? Wes is more important than all of these guys? Do not be stupid. Stop posting on comments before reading the background that lead to that comment. We were talking about how HEAVY the contract of Wes is + how overrated this "STARTER" label. Everybody was complaining about certain deficiencies of Ronnie Brew. Did not he start for the Jazz 2-3 years? We can give nearly every GSW player as an example of how starting for an NBA team does not mean much. What's wrong with this statement?

By the way, First and foremost, Memo has had a CAREER and been among top centers. Millsap is up and coming, PROVED that he belongs to this league, and is TALENTED. Do you say that Wes should be signed because Memo is aging, Millsap is undersized? WTF?

If you say that all of these three players have deficiencies in their games, Wes, TOO, have some weaknesses. There should be a reason why he was not drafted, right? He is very good, tough player but NO WAY does he deserve such a contract. That's my point.

 

[JCribb]

Jazz would be foolish to match Portland's offer to Matthews. Let him walk.