Maybe we got the Sloan/DWill thing backwards...

[NotDeadYet]

A good variety of opinions here; thanks!
The other obvious piece is Greg Miller's reasoning for doing the trade in the first place; Deron was giving no indication he would stay in Utah, which understandably made Miller uncomfortable with passing up this trade opportunity. Since we were already high on Favors before the draft, may even have tried to trade up, plus getting 2 lottery picks and a talented, dynamic and still young PG in addition, this certainly had to look like a solid deal.
And, we are now in a much better position to re-sign Kirilenko and/or Okur, which we would not likely do if Williams got a max contract here. I know we tend to value skilled big men very highly.

 

[GVC]

I am sure trading D Will was on their mind (KOC, GM) from the get-go this season but they were probably waiting to see how things panned out by the deadline. If we were in a solid position, winning and actually in the running for a top 4 spot, and Deron was happy, then I am sure they would have left well enough alone.

If it were on their mind, why trade for AlJeff? The Jazz FO has been reactionary for as long as I've been a fan (03/04).

 

[LogGrad98]

If it were on their mind, why trade for AlJeff? The Jazz FO has been reactionary for as long as I've been a fan (03/04).

Because Boozer was the immediate need, obviously. He was set on going, and I think that is why they didn't come to an agreement on contract, plus his injury history and lack of defense. And quite frankly they weren't going to go into the monetary range he wanted to "get his raise regardless". They obviously had to replace him then and there. But they do tend to be more reactionary, however I give them a little more credit than that. I think they could see this brewing, but they didn't do anything until their hand was more or less forced by the lack of team cohesiveness, Sloan's poor timing, and Williams attitude, combined with the trade deadline and the looming lockout.

 

[NotDeadYet]

I seem to remember Greg Miller (or KOC?) saying they'd gotten this offer from New Jersey after Crymelo had been traded to the Knicks. I don't think the FO was seriously considering trading Williams going into this season.
As far as Jerry quitting because we were struggling? Not likely, as Jerry is way, way more focused on competing than on actually winning. He said as much in an interview before he drove off into the Illinois sunset, and I've had that impression from many of his comments over the years...

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

Because Boozer was the immediate need, obviously. He was set on going, and I think that is why they didn't come to an agreement on contract, plus his injury history and lack of defense. And quite frankly they weren't going to go into the monetary range he wanted to "get his raise regardless". They obviously had to replace him then and there. But they do tend to be more reactionary, however I give them a little more credit than that. I think they could see this brewing, but they didn't do anything until their hand was more or less forced by the lack of team cohesiveness, Sloan's poor timing, and Williams attitude, combined with the trade deadline and the looming lockout.

If Boozer was so set on going, why did he give the Jazz a chance to match?

 

[Revolution 9]

This all happened because Greg is a piece of ****.

 

[LogGrad98]

And quite frankly they weren't going to go into the monetary range he wanted to "get his raise regardless".

If Boozer was so set on going, why did he give the Jazz a chance to match?

Reading: it's fundamental!

If you really think he thought they would/could match you don't get the NBA. He knew exactly what their money situation was, which is why he said he was "opting out" rather than "negotiating an extension". He knew the money was not here, so he moved on.

The Bozzer thing has been hashed and re-hashed. Just my little opinion.


Interesting snippet:

Boozer opted back into his Jazz contract after finding there wasn't enough interest in the open market, hamstringing Utah's salary cap, and then angered their fans further by talking openly about how much he'd like to play for the Heat or the Bulls.

Cavs' fans started "I hate Boozer" Web sites when he left Cleveland. In Utah, the late Jazz owner Larry Miller publicly criticized Boozer's defensive effort, after which he developed what the press called a "mysterious" foot injury in 2005. Moreover, Miller later called Boozer's comments about wanting to leave "one of the top 10 stupidest things I've heard an NBA player do in 20 years."

https://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?id=5369163

And they are trying to spin Bozzer as they good guy.

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

Reading: it's fundamenta

So is basic understanding of math. If you think the Boozer contract was too big, you're either innumerate or simply admitting that the Jazz had no interest in contending.

I'm pretty sure that this has definitively proven out, anyway.

 

[cowhide]

A good variety of opinions here; thanks!
The other obvious piece is Greg Miller's reasoning for doing the trade in the first place; Deron was giving no indication he would stay in Utah, which understandably made Miller uncomfortable with passing up this trade opportunity. Since we were already high on Favors before the draft, may even have tried to trade up, plus getting 2 lottery picks and a talented, dynamic and still young PG in addition, this certainly had to look like a solid deal.
And, we are now in a much better position to re-sign Kirilenko and/or Okur, which we would not likely do if Williams got a max contract here. I know we tend to value skilled big men very highly.

Why would you want to re-sign AK or Okur? Both guys are way overpayed for their production. Okur may never play again. There is no way AK is going to take a major paycut from 18 million down to 6 million which is what he is worth.

Just today when asked if he would re-sign with Utah guess what Devin Harris said? He didn't want to talk about it right now that he just wanted to adjust to the new team. Should we trade him before he decides he wants to leave.

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

The Jazz made a massive mistake with the latest Okur contract.

Miserably enough, it may have -- just as predicted -- ended the DWlll era in Salt Lake.

 

[cowhide]

The Jazz ensured that Boozer wasn't coming back when they matched Millsap and extended Okur. There was not enough money to keep Boozer. I really don't blame Boozer for leaving because of the way the fans treated him and for the fact that the organization pretty much showed him the door. What the Jazz should have done is traded him for some picks and cap space along with a player the year before. He was an asset that the Jazz just let walk and they lucked out when Chicago worked the deal so the Jazz could get a trade exception to get AJ.

I personally think Miller and KOC mismanaged the Sloan/DW relationship and they both wanted them gone so they could put their own stamp on the team and get rid of two guys who had no problem complaining about losing all the talent that left SLC. I know Sloan wanted to keep Boozer and Matthews. DW several times expressed his displeasure about the direction of the team. I don't think it is too far of a stretch to think that Greg has his way of doing it and wants to put his stamp on the team. Perhaps KOC didn't want to defer to Sloan any more , since there has been some speculation that KOC wanted CP3 and Sloan wanted DW. Who knows? I am sure there are a lot of opinions within the organization just like there our on this board. We willl never really know and I am ready to move on and see what happens. Part of me is very excited for tonight's game.

 

[sahlensguy]

I don't think it is too far of a stretch to think that Greg has his way of doing it and wants to put his stamp on the team. Perhaps KOC didn't want to defer to Sloan any more

I think that's it.

Hopefully Greg's stamp will be an effort to bring SL a championship, and not an effort at a money grab.

Time will tell and it begins tonight!