Measurements

[billyshelby]

How many big men in recent drafts have even been compared to Wallace for his defensive potential? It's not a comparison that gets thrown around lightly. Yeah, KOC has to determine how close he can get to Wallace defensively. But an elite defensive big is one of the most difficult things to find. Look at the extensions guys like Perkins, Varejeo, or Haywood signed, and those guys can't score a lick. Tyson Chandler's going to get paid and his offensive arsenal is the dunk. Noah just got a fat extension and he made the 2nd Team in his 4th year. It's a premium skill in the league that doesn't come around often.

 

[NAOS]

Exceedingly rare and "if" are not all that encouraging.

I still find it funny how high you guys all are on a guy who is slipping in mocks and not getting talked about very highly. How many Ben Wallaces have there been? One? No matter what, this guy is a project and the 12th pick is an asset we can use to improve with a proven player via trade, or to move into next years draft which is shaping up to be much deeper. Not to mention with the new CBA it is possible that 2 first round guaranteed salaries from this draft could hamper our growth with a lower cap. And yes of course we are rebuilding, but with 2 lottery picks this year, one next year and some assets on the team already we are in a position to make a move quickly via trades. Drafting a very raw project that might takes years to get where we need him to be, along with all the other young players on the team, is not the best use of that pick imo.

I'd attribute much of Biyombo's recent slide in the mocks to the buzz created by the combine -- a buzz that will subside. As soon as Biyombo steps out on the floor with his competition in any team workouts he's going to show his rare gifts and re-ascend the mocks. book it.

And if you are referring to that gaggle of geese that was covering the combine on ESPNU when you say that Biyombo wasn't being regarded highly.... well, I'd suggest you re-watch or listen to their conversations since they were saying a lot of contradictory stuff over the course of 8 long hours. I put almost ZERO stock in what they said -- some of it was flat-out wrong, other stuff was conflicted, and then there are the two college homers that don't like anybody that didn't play 2 to 4 years for the NCAA.

 

[zbone]

No, actually, I didn't realize that Fess would easily be a "lottery pick" this year. Who says so, other than you?

Because Fes is bigger and have better offensive skills than Byombo. Although, he still gets crucified on this board for being total liability on offense. I'm comparing their intangibles and see that today Fes is a better player overall. Like it or not.

 

[BENTLEY]

Because Fes is bigger and have better offensive skills than Byombo. Although, he still gets crucified on this board for being total liability on offense. I'm comparing their intangibles and see that today Fes is a better player overall. Like it or not.

Difference is motor. Fes doesn't have one sometimes. It's early but it looks like Bismack's motor is something to drool over.
But I like Fes. I love his size and he's funny. I'm running out of patience with him but I still think him on the floor is a good thing overall. I'd love him back for the right price.

 

[zbone]

Difference is motor. Fes doesn't have one sometimes. It's early but it looks like Bismack's motor is something to drool over.
But I like Fes. I love his size and he's funny. I'm running out of patience with him but I still think him on the floor is a good thing overall. I'd love him back for the right price.

The thing is you rarely see him bashed here for his defense. His fouling rate is concerning sometimes. But other than that the very same people who want to get rid of Fes because he is zero on offense and sub-mediocre FT shooting are all over the forum vouching for drafting Biyombo in lottery who is much worse than Fes in this component. I simply don't get that.
You don't draft Fes' replacement with 12th pick.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The thing is you rarely see him bashed here for his defense. His fouling rate is concerning sometimes. But other than that the very same people who want to get rid of Fes because he is zero on offense and sub-mediocre FT shooting are all over the forum vouching for drafting Biyombo in lottery who is much worse than Fes in this component. I simply don't get that.
You don't draft Fes' replacement with 12th pick.

Fes doesn't play because he doesn't take conditioning or the opportunity he's been given seriously. Comparing it to a guy reported to be a work-horse makes less than no sense.

 

[zbone]

Fes doesn't play because he doesn't take conditioning or the opportunity he's been given seriously. Comparing it to a guy reported to be a work-horse makes less than no sense.

I'm not going to argue with that.
But does being a work-horse nobody really justify 12th pick? Really?

 

[Jazz4ever]

I'm not going to argue with that.
But does being a work-horse nobody really justify 12th pick? Really?

Except this work horse actually is going to be able to rebound and block shots. Fes tries, and does make some impact, but just doesn't have the hops, instincts, and more importantly the desire to be good at it. What is Fesenko's career high in blocks? 3?

 

[zbone]

Except this work horse actually is going to be able to rebound and block shots. Fes tries, and does make some impact, but just doesn't have the hops, instincts, and more importantly the desire to be good at it. What is Fesenko's career high in blocks? 3?

Thabeet also had been blocking lots of shots until getting into the NBA

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm not going to argue with that.
But does being a work-horse nobody really justify 12th pick? Really?

One that's also a freakish physical specimen and also intelligent in a crap draft? Absolutely. If the Jazz were left at 7 and Irving, Williams, Knight, and Kanter were off the board, he'd be the next guy I'd want. And it wouldn't be close.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Thabeet also had been blocking lots of shots until getting into the NBA

Thabeet isn't the smartest guy, and he's not that athletic either. High-center of gravity, kind of clumsy. Also came into Uconn as a supposed lazy player that complained during practice. And for what it's worth, I was never high on him.

 

[BENTLEY]

zbone, you're not wrong for doubting Biyombo. The guy is risky. But besides his triple double in the NHS his demeanor was really impressive. His motor sets him apart. He's a project but if someone can help him along he could be a stud.

 

[zbone]

One that's also a freakish physical specimen and also intelligent in a crap draft? Absolutely. If the Jazz were left at 7 and Irving, Williams, Knight, and Kanter were off the board, he'd be the next guy I'd want. And it wouldn't be close.

What makes you think he is intelligent?

 

[GVC]

Dude, Fes didn't put up numbers as good as Biyombo before coming to the NBA while playing in an inferior league. How could anyone come to the conclusion that Fes was anywhere near the prospect that Biyombo is?

 

[zbone]

zbone, you're not wrong for doubting Biyombo. The guy is risky. But besides his triple double in the NHS his demeanor was really impressive. His motor sets him apart. He's a project but if someone can help him along he could be a stud.

What kind of stud?
I'm not buying that Ben Wallace type stud crap.

 

[NAOS]

Dude, Fes didn't put up numbers as good as Biyombo before coming to the NBA while playing in an inferior league. How could anyone come to the conclusion that Fes was anywhere near the prospect that Biyombo is?

 

[BENTLEY]

What kind of stud?
I'm not buying that Ben Wallace type stud crap.

Yeah, I know you're not convinced. And you've made up your mind so no one is going to convince you. But who would the Jazz miss out on if they "waste" this pick on Biyombo? And is that much of a loss to not gamble on the potential this guy has? It's not like there are guys with extraordinarily high ceilings at pick 12.

 

[NUMBERICA]

What makes you think he is intelligent?

He speaks 4 languages fluently and is the captain of the team defense whenever he plays. He's known for directing his teams defensive rotations (whether in practice or the game of the NHS, or his ACB team in Spain, or anything previous to that) and strategy.

You're not wrong for being skeptical. But please don't compare him to a lazy dope that hasn't accomplished anything at any level and cruises by with his sheer size.

 

[zbone]

Dude, Fes didn't put up numbers as good as Biyombo before coming to the NBA while playing in an inferior league. How could anyone come to the conclusion that Fes was anywhere near the prospect that Biyombo is?

What exactly were Fes' numbers?

 

[billyshelby]

He speaks 4 languages fluently and is the captain of the team defense whenever he plays. He's known for directing his teams defensive rotations (whether in practice or the game of the NHS, or his ACB team in Spain, or anything previous to that) and strategy.

You're not wrong for being skeptical. But please don't compare him to a lazy dope that hasn't accomplished anything at any level and cruises by with his sheer size.

You know, there's a good number of Biyombo's Spain games on youtube and I watched a couple. The comparison that strikes me isn't Wallace so much as KG. Like KG, he's a head up defender always tracking the ball with very good help instincts. He's got that QB quality, not just focused on his man. The only real negative I saw was he had a tendency to switch on driving guards on a few pick and rolls when he should have stayed home on his man, but that's just exuberance to guard the ball. Another nice thing is he can definitely guard out on the perimeter. Not much posting up in the games I saw so I couldn't get a read how he does in that. But he's got all the qualities you look for in an interior defender.