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[Saint Cy of JFC]

I understand what you're saying, but isn't it somewhat paradoxical? Because you're defining what makes these players point guards based on their offense, but then defining Haywards position based on whether he can defend those people.

Where?

 

[fgcamel]

Where?

Where you said can he guard nba point guards consistently. How are you defining who these point guards are that he needs to be able to defend?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It is not like you say and never was. I'll give you an definite example: the Lakers' backcourt with Magic Johnson and Byron Scott in the 1980s. On defense, the 6'4 Scott would most of the time guard the shorter backcourt opponent, usually a PG, and the 6'9 Magic would guard the tallest, usually a SG. Nevertheless no one ever suggested that Scott was the PG and Magic the SG on that backcourt. Positions are defined offensively, not defensively.

PG is the only position (imo) in basketball defined offensively but even it's definition isnt as defined anymore.

In the latest Jass season Raul Neto was the PG for the first half of the season, but really Hayward or Hood was more of the PG in the half-court offense while Neto most frequent traditional PG duty was bringing the ball up the floor. His role on the team as PG was more defined through who he defended.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Where you said can he guard nba point guards consistently. How are you defining who these point guards are that he needs to be able to defend?

I'm looking at the other 29 NBA teams and who they start at PG....

Do I want Hayward guarding Lillard, Irving, Paul, Curry, etc.?

*And I said he can't* guard them consistently*

 

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I'm looking at the other 29 NBA teams and who they start at PG....

Do I want Hayward guarding Lillard, Irving, Paul, Curry, etc.?

*And I said he can't* guard them consistently*

I think it's less about Hayward being able to guard those guys consistently and more about the smaller guys in the Jazz lineup needing a smaller dude to guard.

 

[fgcamel]

I think it's less about Hayward being able to guard those guys consistently and more about the smaller guys in the Jazz lineup needing a smaller dude to guard.

Well the original point is about Hood/Johnson/Hayward guarding Shooting Guards I believe

 

[fishonjazz]

Hood might be quicker, but it's not like he has used quickness in his game so the difference between quickness of Hood to Hayward/JJ is probably negligible (and Hayward is probably quicker).

I have seen him use quickness many many times to score.

Hayward is slow as molasses going into the paint at the hoop. Hands all over him bumping into guys everywhere.

Hood is smooth as hell working the paint, sliding by guys and getting much easier shots.

I think hood makes the offense much better with Hayward than jj does. So I think he should be on the court to start and should play much more than JJ regardless of what you think about who can guard what.

But it's ok. You can have your opinion and I can have mine, it's ok if we disagree.

 

[fishonjazz]

50% of the game tho.

Yep. Hayward, hood, and JJ can all guard shooting guards.

I don't think they all can be very effective at the shooting guard position offensively though which is why I was saying hood should start.
I think that hayward and JJ are definitely more suited to the 3 (or even the 4) and hood is more suited for the 2. Might as well just play them at their more natural position imo since we have so many good players at each position already. no need to force guys into a position that they don't naturally fit into imo.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well the original point is about Hood/Johnson/Hayward guarding Shooting Guards I believe

Nah, the original point is who should be in the starting line-up at the wing. JJ and Hayward, or Hayward and hood.
I think Hayward and hood fit better together.

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[fishonjazz]

Well the original point is about Hood/Johnson/Hayward guarding Shooting Guards I believe

This is the original post that started this lame discussion lol.

Yeah, I'm really starting to wonder if he'll start, and then have Hood come off the bench.

I think we are better off starting Hayward and hood rather than Hayward and JJ.

 

[Noomskull]

Who you can guard is your NBA position.

Gordon Hayward can certainly run an offense, but can he defend NBA PG's consistently? No, so therefore he can't really be a PG.

Trey Lyles can shoot, dribble, and playmake but is he a wing player? No, because he can't guard wing players.

James Harden can't guard anybody at any position. Where does he fall within this philosophy?

 

[Stoked]

TribJazz Podcast 9/30 notes:

- Depth of team could lead to most players seeing fluctuations in their minutes and shots

- Expected Exum to come back slow, surprised at the feed back on where he is at (from coaches and players)

- Exum is not showing timidness about driving or contact, looks like 2016 SL Exum

- Rehashes the 14 sec. shot clock, early pick and roll

- Their feeling is that if the Jazz preform well this season,50+ wins and 2nd round, that there is a good chance Hayward stays

- Entire FO (GM to players) knows this is a very important year for this team

- Talks about how Hill will affect double teams on Hayward and Hood as he is to dangerous from 3 to leave open. Frees up other Jazz players or gets open shots

- DL has said a couple times that Hill and Exum can play together. They both guard 1s and 2s

- Exum has "built his body up", 6'6'...by the time he is 24-25...he has a real chance to be a monster in this league

- Thinks Exum's minutes will start low and build as the season progresses

- Think the Jazz are just being super cautious with Burks, only 10% cause for concern

- Thinks Hayward's assisted shots will increase, about 1/3rd of them, tremendous spacing will aid this. he will be more efficient and scoring avg will go up. Tony Jones says 20ppg

- Talks about how Hood needs to work on getting to the FT line, Hood knows this. Even with the added depth Hayward and Hood are the guys offensively

- Says that Gobert will be a nod nod wink wink restricted free agent but is signing with the Jazz, alludes to everyone being on the same page

- They like the over on the Vegas line of 47.5 wins

- Says spots 4-8 in the west will be a scramble