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Media Meltdown Sinking Hillary
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No link. Me just thinking outside the box. How better to confuse the general voter than to distract them from Wikilinks (which was really hitting her hard) and then two days before the election clearing her yet again.
OK. Fair enough.
jimmy eat jazz
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From what I can tell, there's not much evidence that this has hurt Hillary. There was a blip in the polling immediately after this came out, but subsequent polls revert back to the trend line.
That's one of the curious things about this election noted by many pollers is the volatility in the polls, likely in response to media reports about emails, ***** gate, etc. But the long-term trend has been fairly stable indicating from pretty much the beginning to today that Hillary is leading both nationally and across enough swing states to sew up the election. Nate Silver has the most cautious odds (Hillary 67%, Trump 33% approx), while most other polling aggregators give Hillary a much greater probability, as high as 80%-90% in some. Silver is the darling of poll watchers, as he nailed that 2012 election when others didn't but then he did whiff big time on Trump during the primary (until late in the process saying Trump wouldn't win), so who knows??? Personally, as I find the prospect of a narcissist utterly lacking the experience, judgement, temperament, and knowledge to lead the most influential country in the world, and one who panders to the worst elements of society, bringing the alt right, white nationalists, anti-semites, into the mainstream of American politics, and who sews mistrust about the legitimacy of America's democratic processes, to be such a horrific prospect that I take comfort in the polls, although intellectually I know there's still a chance Trump wins, and that is literally keeping me up at nights.
That's one of the curious things about this election noted by many pollers is the volatility in the polls, likely in response to media reports about emails, ***** gate, etc. But the long-term trend has been fairly stable indicating from pretty much the beginning to today that Hillary is leading both nationally and across enough swing states to sew up the election. Nate Silver has the most cautious odds (Hillary 67%, Trump 33% approx), while most other polling aggregators give Hillary a much greater probability, as high as 80%-90% in some. Silver is the darling of poll watchers, as he nailed that 2012 election when others didn't but then he did whiff big time on Trump during the primary (until late in the process saying Trump wouldn't win), so who knows??? Personally, as I find the prospect of a narcissist utterly lacking the experience, judgement, temperament, and knowledge to lead the most influential country in the world, and one who panders to the worst elements of society, bringing the alt right, white nationalists, anti-semites, into the mainstream of American politics, and who sews mistrust about the legitimacy of America's democratic processes, to be such a horrific prospect that I take comfort in the polls, although intellectually I know there's still a chance Trump wins, and that is literally keeping me up at nights.
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Hillary was bound to drop in the polls from her post debate high. Trump was bound to rebound a little after the Bush tapes and embarrassing performances at debates. I don't think any damage was done to Clinton. She was bound to come off that high and trump was bound to rebound a little. This will still be the greatest GOP beat down since 1964.
But to a large segment of the population, they just plain don't care. Facts, political outcomes, etc just don't matter anymore. Example: after the GOP loses again, they will perform an autopsy. Just like in 2012, the autopsy will reveal that the GOP's platform aka message doesn't resonate well with women, the young, and minorities. Rather than change the message they will merely change the tone of the message. Judging by the last few decades, the tone will become louder and more severe. Racists and sexists will become even more emboldened. Conspiracy theories will become increasingly more radical. Reactionaries will become even more stubborn. Right wing terrorism will continue to grow.
The GOP no longer is working within the bounds of democracy. As evidenced by their insistence that they'll impeach Clinton ASAP and will stonewall any SC justices until they get their man into the White House. Democracy should tell the GOP to change in order to play this game. Yet, the GOP will continue to stonewall because they don't have the votes or the popularity to govern. They'll use what little political power they have to obstruct any progress in this country.
The only way to cure this disease is to purge the GOP from the senate this year and from the house in 2020. The GOP has no place in this country until they become more responsive to elections and to the people of America. Want to become popular again? Change your platform.
But to a large segment of the population, they just plain don't care. Facts, political outcomes, etc just don't matter anymore. Example: after the GOP loses again, they will perform an autopsy. Just like in 2012, the autopsy will reveal that the GOP's platform aka message doesn't resonate well with women, the young, and minorities. Rather than change the message they will merely change the tone of the message. Judging by the last few decades, the tone will become louder and more severe. Racists and sexists will become even more emboldened. Conspiracy theories will become increasingly more radical. Reactionaries will become even more stubborn. Right wing terrorism will continue to grow.
The GOP no longer is working within the bounds of democracy. As evidenced by their insistence that they'll impeach Clinton ASAP and will stonewall any SC justices until they get their man into the White House. Democracy should tell the GOP to change in order to play this game. Yet, the GOP will continue to stonewall because they don't have the votes or the popularity to govern. They'll use what little political power they have to obstruct any progress in this country.
The only way to cure this disease is to purge the GOP from the senate this year and from the house in 2020. The GOP has no place in this country until they become more responsive to elections and to the people of America. Want to become popular again? Change your platform.
There have been just a few mainstream media breaks from pure Hillary boosterism. Fools, perhaps, who don't care about their jobs while still believing in maintaining some personal integrity or who feel journalism can still embrace facts.
But, no the Bigs did not see the danger Hillary poses to their cash cows. They didn't become Bigs by doing stupid stuff, so there must be some bigger fish to fry, and Hillary will do the job.
For them, not the "undocumented" or desperate migrants, or you. It's a "welcome to my parlor" sort of game, with the Bigs being the poetical "spider" who will get fatter with those lower wages, and better able to maintain the "plantation" with a mass of voters who have no ideals of human rights.
There will be population declines worldwide for a variety of reasons, including work regimes and wages reminiscent of the early industrial age, before unions.
The Clintons and the Bushes, the whole dynasty of American elites since NAFTA, have dismantled the gains achieved by labor unions from the 1870s to the 1970s. Most unions today are sellout plantation manager outfits that obsequiously cave to "management". I saw that with the United Steelworkers when I was working. The Union officials did a song and dance and caved, only to get nice managerial posts later on.
It's what the Democratic Party has done to it's people in a large measure. The people they claim to protect have been sold out, and sold down the river, and live today under conditions much worse than forty years ago.
But, no the Bigs did not see the danger Hillary poses to their cash cows. They didn't become Bigs by doing stupid stuff, so there must be some bigger fish to fry, and Hillary will do the job.
For them, not the "undocumented" or desperate migrants, or you. It's a "welcome to my parlor" sort of game, with the Bigs being the poetical "spider" who will get fatter with those lower wages, and better able to maintain the "plantation" with a mass of voters who have no ideals of human rights.
There will be population declines worldwide for a variety of reasons, including work regimes and wages reminiscent of the early industrial age, before unions.
The Clintons and the Bushes, the whole dynasty of American elites since NAFTA, have dismantled the gains achieved by labor unions from the 1870s to the 1970s. Most unions today are sellout plantation manager outfits that obsequiously cave to "management". I saw that with the United Steelworkers when I was working. The Union officials did a song and dance and caved, only to get nice managerial posts later on.
It's what the Democratic Party has done to it's people in a large measure. The people they claim to protect have been sold out, and sold down the river, and live today under conditions much worse than forty years ago.