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Millsap and Hayward to Cavs?

Millsap and 3 for 1 and 4 would work (for me anyway). Hell throw in any or all of CJ, Bell, and Memo as well.

Draft
Kanter, Knight, and Singleton.

Lineup:

Knight
Hayward
Singleton
Favors
Kanter

Young and talented though we would be a few years away from being real contender's.
 
Ben10 said:
Two things on this Bentley, I think you are dead wrong in evaluating Knight's talent. While I agree that he is not a top 3 pick he is night and day better than the players you listed above. 2 thinks that make him better, He is a good shooter and he plays very good defense on the outside. (2 things that would greatly help the Jazz BTW) Plus is a guy that you know is going to come in and work his *** off right from the get go. There is no question marks in these areas. Plus because of his ability to shoot he can slide over to the 2 with the size he has and work off the ball. Again something that he well be willing to do because of his work ethic and IQ. There is a reason that scouts have this guys going top 4 in most drafts. We are talking about a league that is being dominated by guards. And I see something in Knight as a player that to me makes him a better option than any player outside of Irving, Williams and Kanter. And if KOC is going to take the BPA with a pick outside the top 3 look for that to be Knight.
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Yeah, I'm obviously missing something on Knight. And I'm probably over-reacting to the adoration of Knight that remains foreign to me. Whatever - it makes more sense that I'm wrong about him. He is a nice kid and a hard worker. I dunno. Yeah, I'd be fine with him before Singleton I guess but not Motiejunas or Hamilton. I'm talking 12 here obviously. And we all know Knight isn't falling that far so it really doesn't matter what my opinion is.
 
NUMBERICA said:
There is absolutely no way Cleveland does that.
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I actually think that Cleveland would be getting a pretty good trade. They get a sure-thing in Paul Millsap to pair with J.J. Hickson at their SF/PF positions plus they Kanter to be their Center of the future and Knight to be their Point Guard of the future. Knight would eventually take over for Baron Davis. We would get our star Small Forward in Williams plus our defensive-minded reserve Center in Varejao. We could even sweeten the deal for the Cavs by throwing in the Golden State pick next year in exchange for one of their future first round picks.
 
BENTLEY said:
Well, I'm certainly not pleasing fans of Brandon Knight. Dude I'm not sure on Kanter - I'm not as sure as you on a lot of these picks. While I see Motiejonas' positives I also worry about his negatives so I'm not real sure about him either, but I think if he can be another Bargnani in the league then yeah, I'd gamble the 12th pick on that before Knight. It's not that Knight won't be competent. I think he will, I think he'll be pretty good even. But I think that there are many PGs that can be pretty good, whereas 7 footers with Bargnani talent - in spite of their defensive warts - are less common. I'm just thinking in terms of best trade value. Supply and demand - so bigs have more value than smalls. Ty still needs to figure out what system he's even gonna be running. While he's figuring this out the Jazz should collect valuable big pieces that they can trade/spend on players after Ty figures out what he's doing. And big pieces will allow them more value to spend. Make sense? It's not like the Jazz are going to be winning anything this year so I don't feel a need to fill every hole on the roster. I'm thinking 2 or 3 years away. With the high picks this year I'm not thinking PG (besides they have Harris for now).

And yeah, of course I'm guilty of being all over the place. Dude, look at the draft this year. You are the only one certain of a prospects' value. I'm not.
Call me agnostic but I want more information. Based the info available to me my philosophy is the same. Bigs before smalls (unless there is enough perceived talent that you have to go with the small). As info comes in my draft board changes. I was once high on Singleton but I've since dropped him down a bit, but Knight has never had much value to me. I could be wrong but I'd probably still put Singleton before him. I don't expect you to be pleased with my draft board but it's not meant to piss you off. C'mon, Borat - be funny like you were in your movie.
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So what you're saying is that you're looking at players trade value instead of his value on the team? That says it all. You honestly think Motiejunas has Bargnani talent? You think a Bargnani type player fits on this team at all? Even in this post you say that you think Knight will be a pretty good player, and then say you're uncertain of him. You say things like the former to make sure you aren't pissing anybody off, and then you say things like the latter to bolster your argument. Stick to your own opinions. Sure, things change, but you're letting yourself be way too influenced by stats and outside sources. WATCH these players play and then use the combination of impressions and combine performance to help mold your opinions. Saying that Motiejunas is worth the risk more than Knight is absolutely mind-blowing and completely idiotic. Motiejunas doesn't have defensive warts, he doesn't have defense at all. Also, drafting a point guard this year doesn't mean he's going to come in right away and be the man. We draft players so they can develop into their potential within a few season and grow from there on. So by your 2-3 years standards, a guy like Knight THIS year would be perfect so by the time Harris' contract runs out, we've got a guy ready to step in and take the reins, rather than drafting somebody that's going to come in and make rookie mistakes for a team that's contending for the playoffs.

I'm nowhere near certain on any of these players, because that's not possible, but I'm giving them their due credit, unlike yourself. You're using your bias to dig yourself deeper and deeper into a hole, while also contradicting yourself every three or four posts. The thing is, I actually agree with some of your evaluations, but the only reason you're arguing that you'd take players like Singleton and Motiejunas over Knight is to make yourself look better for seriously underrating his potential. In the past week you have said that he can be a very good point guard, that you'd take him if we still had the six pick, that the reason you wouldn't take him is because Kanter is the obvious choice at 3 (I agree), while also saying that you'd probably take the likes of Vesely, Motiejunas, Singleton, Valenciunas, Brooks, Biyombo, and other one-dimensional or unkown players because he's a guy that you can get in any daft. He's not going to be the next Drose, Wall, or whoever else, but that doesn't mean he's **** as you're claiming (for now). There's a reason he's projected where he's at. You're flip-flopping your opinions not because of viable information coming in, but because you know you've backed yourself into a corner and are too stubborn to accept it. And that's honestly all I need to know.
 
First let me say this is the most ridiculous trade offer I've heard given KOC said we are not doing a total rebuild. However, it is no secret KOC and crew are in love with Kyrie Irving. I could easily see them giving the #3 and Millsap or Hayward to get it.
 
Jazz4ever said:
First let me say this is the most ridiculous trade offer I've heard given KOC said we are not doing a total rebuild. However, it is no secret KOC and crew are in love with Kyrie Irving. I could easily see them giving the #3 and Millsap or Hayward to get it.
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Dang man I hope not!
 
Hmm if we traded 3, Millsap, and Gordon for 1 and 4. . . we could possibly select Williams @1 and Knight @4 and add in Favors, Jefferson, and Harris. Hmmm
 
gregbroncs said:
Millsap and 3 for 1 and 4 would work (for me anyway). Hell throw in any or all of CJ, Bell, and Memo as well.

Draft
Kanter, Knight, and Singleton.

Lineup:

Knight
Hayward
Singleton
Favors
Kanter

Young and talented though we would be a few years away from being real contender's.
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I just don't see them going for Millsap/3 for the 1 & 4 but I'd do that in a heartbeat Irving, Leonard, best big avble
 
NUMBERICA said:
If you have to ask, you've probably been ignoring what I and a significant contingent of this site have been saying. Or you can't comprehend it.

P.S. Thanks for the (anonymous at the time) neg rep for my having merely a different opinion on the matter than you.
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I dont even remember neg repping you at all but whatever. And I've put several messages regarding why you want Al gone so bad. But you didn't answer the ?, why do you hate him so much? And I don't see a lot of people that want him gone so bad
 
so, just to make sure... there are people here who think we would trade up to #1 and take kanter over irving AND williams?
 
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