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Millsap and Hayward to Cavs?

Favors Flave said:
No I'm listing some of the best big guys and how he could pick apart them too. I could go one with more too, Bynum isn't the best passer and can't shoot, Boozer is always injured, inconsistent at times and plays no defense, Marc Gasol is not effective in transition and doesn't score a lot, Z-Bo doesn't play D, is slow, can't jump and is undersized ETC
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Of course every player has shortcomings relative to other players. But I'm looking for players with the least amount of weaknesses possible, and players with no FATAL weaknesses. Context matters, too. On the Jazz, you can't (couldn't?) run an offense through a player that's unable to help his teammates by the attention he draws. And he's not that great of a post player, either.

And comparing losers to winners is not a great place to start. While Pau isn't a great #1 guy on your team, he's a superb #2 player. Al plays like he's on an island, he doesn't help others and no one can help him. You have to throw the ball to him and let him work to get production from him. Players like Shaq might be able to get away with that, but hey, he passed too.

The one guy in the league you could compare him to and have any luck with would be Zach Randolph, and I say he's the exception (guys can change very late in their careers) that proves the rule (players almost never change late in their careers). Jefferson's 7 years in and hasn't noticeably improved in 4 years. I just don't see it.
 
Bentley, Knight is 10x the player that Marshall is. Marshall is/will be a great COLLEGE PG, but I have my doubts about how he's going to do in the NBA. Knight will start and will play well in the NBA. Obviously this is all my opinion, but I watch a lot of college bball and saw both these kids play quite a bit.
 
red. said:
That's terrible. Sorry, but Baron is not the future of the Cavs. We'll be drafting Irving!
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That's not what I was saying. Brandon Knight would be the future of the Cavs at PG. However, Knight probably is not ready right now to take over as the full-time starter. Until he is, Baron Davis would start. Davis is aging and Knight should be able to take over for him in a year or so.
 
Bentley is a solid choice for the new Portland GM. He can pick bigs over and over again over better smaller players, just as they have always done.
 
BENTLEY said:
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Fair enough. You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not going to try to change it, I guess I just wanted some consistency in your posts. I realize in a draft like this there's not really such a thing, but it just seemed like your opinions changed by the poster. I think Knight is going to be a very good player, somebody that we won't be able to find in the teens or twenties in another draft, but he's not a 3rd overall pick kind of a guy right now. However, in a draft like this, he's among the best of the rest because of what he's accomplished and what we've actually been able to see him doing. Kanter is the much better choice at 3, but we have to make room for him so he doesn't sit for the majority of another year. You're a good poster, I enjoy your posts, and it's nice to have someone to banter with here and there. It's nothing personal, I just wanted some consistency, which it looks like I have now. The only thing I REALLY disagree with (leaving Knight out of this for a second) is the idea that we draft a guy based on trade value rather than what he can contribute to the team. If our intention is to trade the player we draft with the 12, then why wouldn't we just move the 12 for a future pick (or picks) and let Team B pick who they want? This, rather than drafting a guy who is the definition of one-dimensional and has zero value to a team that is already full of bigs with impressive offensive repertoires and might be getting another one in Kanter. I know Motiejunas is just one of many examples you have, but if Knight were to slip to 12 (he won't), he will be the single most valuable player available to the Jazz because of his skill SET, not just his skill. I also REALLY dislike Motiejunas. Otherwise, I see where you're coming from, although I strongly disagree.
 
I'd do this for any players other than Hayward and Favors, even including next years first. I would imagine the 1-4 would be Kanter, Knight, because Cleveland gets Irving regardless (Minnesota ain't taking another PG). And I think KOC likes Knight more than Irving.
 
Can we close this thread now?

We're not trading Hayward and Millsap for any pick in this draft. Maybe if Lebron or Kobe or Dwight were in it. But not for prospects hoping to be the next Memos, Boozers, and Mark Prices.
 
The Thriller said:
Can we close this thread now?

We're not trading Hayward and Millsap for any pick in this draft. Maybe if Lebron or Kobe or Dwight were in it. But not for prospects hoping to be the next Memos, Boozers, and Mark Prices.
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This please.
 
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