Mitchell at Point Guard

[Scat]

For me the answer is fairly simple.

Jazz need to upgrade and PF, SG or PG


We need to keep Favors. He is so much better than given credit. He’s is a bonafide stud. So PF is out.

That leaves SG and PG. I want Brogdon so that means Mitchell plays the 2.

But here’s where I am swimming in waters over may head. What’s easier for the Jazz to upgrade? SG or PG? Mitchell starts at the other.

Problem is that Favs does his best work when Gobert is off the floor and Favs slides to the center position.

 

[fishonjazz]

Brogdon seems a pretty average option to make him your swing for the fence move

I disagree. I think he is perfect for this team. Would unlock the offense and take the team to another level.
Looking at brogdons stats he is a top shooter in the league. Shooting is very important in the NBA. I wonder where he ranks as a shooter. 1? 2? 3? He is up there. Over 50% from the field, iirc over 43% from 3, and might lead the league in free throw percentage. Over 94% iirc.

Plus he is the right age. High character. And even has some creation/drive game. Good defender.

Perfect

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[Bawse Dawg]

Go. Get. Klay.

Coming here could do wonders for how his career is remembered.

Now he’s looked at as a phenomenal all-time shooter. IMO, he’s more than that. If he came here, and we won two rings, he could propel himself into all-time great status. Not top 25 or anything. But way higher.

If he’s stays there, he’s sort of an afterthought because of Curry and Durant.

I’d ***

 

[jom2003]

Rubio is a ball hog? Cmon.

And yes, the Jazz need to upgrade Rubio. Everyone knows that and it was publicly available knowledge the Jazz tried.

Its also public knowledge the Jazz tries to add another PG (Conley). The Jazz need to get ball handlers so Mitchell's usage doesn't get out of control.

Rubio's effectiveness diminishes when he doesn't have the ball. He needs to catch fires with his shot in order for defenders to pay him any respect in off-ball situations.

We need additional ballhandlers, yes. but that additional ballhandler also needs to be able to do damages off-ball on a consistent basis since our franchise player already needs the ball in his hand to be at his absolute best, which is why Conley would've been a terrible fit.

 

[jom2003]

I disagree. I think he is perfect for this team. Would unlock the offense and take the team to another level.
Looking at brogdons stats he is a top shooter in the league. Shooting is very important in the NBA. I wonder where he ranks as a shooter. 1? 2? 3? He is up there. Over 50% from the field, iirc over 43% from 3, and might lead the league in free throw percentage. Over 94% iirc.

Plus he is the right age. High character. And even has some creation/drive game. Good defender.

Perfect

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and he can make plays with the ball in his hand. I can't emphasize enough how underrated his driving/slashing skills is. outside of 3 and D, he is a very capable ball-handler.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Rubio's effectiveness diminishes when he doesn't have the ball. He needs to catch fires with his shot in order for defenders to pay him any respect in off-ball situations.

We need additional ballhandlers, yes. but that additional ballhandler also needs to be able to do damages off-ball on a consistent basis since our franchise player already needs the ball in his hand to be at his absolute best, which is why Conley would've been a terrible fit.

His effectiveness goes beyond shot making or simply having the ball in his hands at all times.

The offense simply runs better when hes on the court.

 

[fishonjazz]

Cause floor generalness

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[Stoked]

Problem is that Favs does his best work when Gobert is off the floor and Favs slides to the center position.

Not a problem at all imo. Provides the Jazz with above average to elite D at the rim for 48 minutes. Bring in Brogdon and the Jazz can have to above average to elite shooters on the floor at all times.

 

[jom2003]

His effectiveness goes beyond shot making or simply having the ball in his hands at all times.

The offense simply runs better when hes on the court.

not according to NBA on/off stats.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?TeamID=1610612762&VsPlayerID=201937

set it to per 48min you barely see much of difference between him being on or off the court.

We actually have a higher +/- with Rubio being off the court and are undefeated this season without him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

not according to NBA on/off stats.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?TeamID=1610612762&VsPlayerID=201937

set it to per 48min you barely see much of difference between him being on or off the court.

We actually have a higher +/- with Rubio being off the court and are undefeated this season without him.

Why set it to per 48 when you could set it to per 100 possessions?

The Jazz offense is 2.3 points better with Rubio on vs off.

Yes, the defense is better with him off, probably because he is facing starters.

 

[jom2003]

Why set it to per 48 when you could set it to per 100 possessions?

The Jazz offense is 2.3 points better with Rubio on vs off.

Yes, the defense is better with him off, probably because he is facing starters.

2.3 point every 100 poss is supposed to be a big difference? just how much do you think we need to resign him in the summer so we can score 2.3 points more every 100 possessions?

or btw, bucks scores 4.6 points more every 100 possessions with Brogdon on the floor, which doubles the Rubio's numbers. their defense is much better too.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?TeamID=1610612749&VsPlayerID=1627763&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular Season&PerMode=Per100Possessions

 

[LoPo]

wo wo, hold on. where does that come from? all we gotta do is to offer Brogdon what we are paying for Rubio this year which is $14975000, if not less. Bucks ain't paying him more than Bledsoe.

If we renounce Thabo, Udoh and Rubio while also picking up Favors' option, we have in the neighborhood of $13 million to spend in free agency. If we can extend Favors to a smaller but longer deal, we can turn that $13 into maybe $17 or $18 (Bledsoe money) but Brogdon will get more than that. I think he gets $20+ easy.

So I think financially, we can only get Brogdon if we sacrifice Favors. Doesnt matter though - I don't think the Bucks will let Brogdon go.

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