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also sonnen benefits the most form trtless. :D

if sonnen stands a chance it is with both of trt.

even more stoked for the ppv.

havent bought a ppv since silva weidman 2.

because ppv prices went from 6.99 to 17.99 euros( i know you americans pay about 50 bucks for ppv.

but i had to pay 6.99 for EVERY card those you got on free tv.

now i need fightpass 7.99 per month. and ppv events cost 17.99
 
VINYLONE said:
Does he deserve a shot at the title? Dude's last 5 fights is a record of 3-2 and his losses were dismantlings.
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i think other people are more deserving.
but his losses where against anderson silva arguably the greatest of all time. and jon jones, possible could be greatest off all time. and just 1 loss where he was outclassed by a heavier fighter. he always steps in when fighters are injured. doesnt care if he gets a training camp or not. he is always ready to fight!
he does not care if he has a gameplan or not. so yeah if he beats belfort i am not opposed to him getting a TS. i think others are more deserving kenedy, jacare, rockhold (might have forgotten another one).

thats like saying stockton and malone dont deserve hof because they are 0-2 in championships series.


you also have to take in the qaulity of the opponents,
 
VINYLONE said:
Does he deserve a shot at the title? Dude's last 5 fights is a record of 3-2 and his losses were dismantlings.
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so you think he does not deserve a title shot?
note:
Anderson silva before facing sonnen was 11-0 in ufc 31-4 overal
Jon jones before facing sonnen was 12-1 in ufc(1 loss comming to illegal elbow. 18-1 overal)(has not lost YET!)
rashad evans 13-3-1(draw) in the ufc and 21-3-1 overall

those 3 had a wining percentage in the ufc of 87% in the ufc and 93% overall.
he stepped up to fight jones on a weeks notice. while no one wanted to fight him n short notice.
he stepped up too fight rashad in a imho handicapped fight.


so does he deserve it? YES HE DOES!
he always steps up. and 2-3 record in last 5 fights or a 6-4 in his last 10. does not mean **** if you dont look at strength of opponents.

is there a middleweight alive who would fight the follwing:
jon jones(at lhw), rashad evans (at lhw),anderson silva 2x (of old), shogun rua(at LHW), bisping, brian stann,nate marquadt, yushin okami and dan miller.
and gets a record of 6-4

maybe weidman could do better then 6-4(but anderson silva of 2013 was not as great as as from 2010). what other middleweight could do it.
but weidman could go 8-2(maybe losing 2 to jones, rua and rashad).

cant think of any other middleweight that might do this.
other top contenders include
vitor belfort(who he will fight) would he be able to go 6-4 likely would he do better maybe depending on trt or not.
machida likely wont go 6-4 vs that competition.
jacare souza, luke rockhold and tim kennedy wouldnt have done any better then 6-4 .

SO YES if he beats vitor he deserves it.

what say you?
 
Is cormier in that weight class?
 
fishonjazz said:
Is cormier in that weight class?
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chael figths at middleweight and Light heavyweight but is a natural middleweight.


cormier was a heavyweight. but he was on his way to a date with cain. he did not want to fight cain for the belt
so he dropped weight. went on a dieet. and now fights ate Liight heavyweight.(2 fights so far at Lhw, vs cummings and henderson).
dont think cormier wil fight at middleweight anytime soon.
and yes he could have gone better than 6-4 against those opponents
 
the wand situation is funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzl3uMaoEdY


if what wand is saying 100% true. i'm ggonna have to eat myw ords about him not showing up.

should not have fallen for wands words
 
let me chime in and troll some.
I hate MMA.
It's a violent sport.
MMA skillset is efficient yeah sure, but MMA as a sport is just foolish!
BJJ or judo on the other hand...
 
Tarkanian said:
let me chime in and troll some.
I hate MMA.
It's a violent sport.
MMA skillset is efficient yeah sure, but MMA as a sport is just foolish!
BJJ or judo on the other hand...
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This makes no sense at all.

To be an MMA competitor on any level, you have to learn BJJ and Judo. Just because you add another element to it (strikes), it all of a sudden becomes dumb? That the BJJ and Judo that you've learned is somehow not valid or acceptable now? Silly.

I get that people don't like MMA, and I really don't care if they like it or not and am fine with whatever their reasons are, but what you're saying just doesn't make sense.
 
Tarkanian said:
let me chime in and troll some.
I hate MMA.
It's a violent sport.
MMA skillset is efficient yeah sure, but MMA as a sport is just foolish!
BJJ or judo on the other hand...
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bjj or judo for what?

as a sport? or as a way of defending yourself?


i get you dont like watching it.
 
DutchJazzer said:
i think other people are more deserving.
but his losses where against anderson silva arguably the greatest of all time. and jon jones, possible could be greatest off all time. and just 1 loss where he was outclassed by a heavier fighter. he always steps in when fighters are injured. doesnt care if he gets a training camp or not. he is always ready to fight!
he does not care if he has a gameplan or not. so yeah if he beats belfort i am not opposed to him getting a TS. i think others are more deserving kenedy, jacare, rockhold (might have forgotten another one).

thats like saying stockton and malone dont deserve hof because they are 0-2 in championships series.


you also have to take in the qaulity of the opponents,
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Butch, I feel other people are deserving as well. I don't think you'll hear me say that Sonnen is not talented because he is. And like you said, he is always ready to go. But I want to see a competitive fight and currently he's being outclassed by the greats regardless of his "ready to go" ability.

Your Jazz reference is laughable and makes me want to write, "Get the **** out." So I did.

DutchJazzer said:
so you think he does not deserve a title shot?

so does he deserve it? YES HE DOES!

SO YES if he beats vitor he deserves it.

what say you?
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NO, he does not. He does not deserve a chance at the title just because he steps in at a moments notice. We disagree on this. That said, if he does beat Vitor, sure he should get another chance. I doubt he will beat Vitor though...well, I guess what matters is what mind frame Belfort has going in. Dude is weak mentally.

Anyway, I also find it interesting that you dislike fighters that show off in the ring but like Sonnen who talks so much **** out of the ring and doesn't always back it up.

dalamon said:
there needs to be a boxing thread.
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You know what they say?
 
VINYLONE said:
Anyway, I also find it interesting that you dislike fighters that show off in the ring but like Sonnen who talks so much **** out of the ring and doesn't always back it up.
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doesnt always bakc it up?
beginning of his carreer his weakness was getting subbed.

since then he fought arguably 2 of top 3 goat(silva and jones). and lost to an ex champion at a higher weightclass.

he backs it up!!!!
 
DutchJazzer said:
doesnt always bakc it up?
beginning of his carreer his weakness was getting subbed.

since then he fought arguably 2 of top 3 goat(silva and jones). and lost to an ex champion at a higher weightclass.

he backs it up!!!!
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Do you remember the all the trout he was talking before the Silva/ Sonnen II match? And then again before the Evans fight?

Anyway, I dont understand your position that just because a guy steps into the ring to fight and subsequently lose, he deserves another chance. So if Sonnen was 0-10 after fighting Bisping, Silva, Jones, etc. does he deserve a title shot?
 
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