More Muslim violence in Europe

[Nate505]

I could address all the other arguments that I think are faulty in this thread (e.g., atheism at fault for mass murder--this is one of the biggest red herrings), the pass given to the widespread nature of Christian bigotry, oppression, and violence, that moderate Muslims are not speaking out (they do but you're not likely to hear about it from Fox news) and so forth.

Yeah, like I've ever seen a ****ing minute of Fox News in my life.

Does every media organization in the world hate Muslims? Or do they just not speak out enough to make their voice heard? Are free demonstrations allowed in Turkey? If so, how does a place with so many honor killings not have a rally with thousands demanding that the government do something about it. In fairness I did find one article where women did march to protest the killings a couple years ago. I commend their bravery.

https://www.news24.com/World/News/Women-protest-honour-killings-20110308

That being said, a few hundred people in a city of 13 million isn't exactly the public outrage that's impressive to me. 2,000 in Ankara is a little better. Kudos to the protestors, shame on the rest where that couldn't swell into something large.

And this is one of the more liberal/moderate Islamic societies, a place I'd expect protests at stuff like this to happen. Why does it never happen in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. And I'm not talking about a handful of women, I'm talking about thousands of regular citizens. Is it because the general populace is ok with it, or is it because their crappy oppressive governments will arrest/kill them for protesting.

A story like this is good PR for the moderates:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nti-war-protest-driven-members-community.html

I'd like to see more of that, but preferably in countries where they dominate and are not a minority. It's much more eye opening to see where they chips fall when the person who controls the majority of the chips lies them down.

 

[JimLes]

Atheists are quick to point out when an atheist charity raises money, when a less religious country like Sweden or Norway is successful and they indirectly imply or often even directly state that them lacking religion has helped them. Whenever something is done good by atheists atheism gets credit. When atheists have done bad (and boy some of them really have) atheists quickly shout and insist you cannot blame atheism for their actions. If Islam has to take the blame for Osama, atheism has to take the blame for Pol Pot, Stalin etc.

Again, since when are atheists and organized group like Muslims or Catholics or Southern Baptists? By what juvenile logic can you compare the two? It's like saying I have to accept responsibility for everything bad Jazz fans do.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Again, since when are atheists and organized group like Muslims or Catholics or Southern Baptists? By what juvenile logic can you compare the two? It's like saying I have to accept responsibility for everything bad Jazz fans do.

Vegetarianism isn't an organized group, yet being a vegetarian influences your behavior (don't eat meat). I never said atheists are organised in groups just that atheism has influenced some people's behavior to do very evil and wicked things. Oh wait let me guess Mao and Stalin weren't "true atheists."

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

You are making a mistake to conflate the citizen's of a country with that country's regime and the rule that it imposes on its population.

I am not, nor have I ever, defended Islamist governmental rule. Where it exists, it is (as far as I know) oppressive and corrupt. In societies where public criticism of government or the ruling Mullahs risks imprisonment or death, just what do you really expect?

The issue here is whether the common member of the Muslim faith supports Islamist extremists and terrorist actions to the extent post here (and general Islamophobia in the West) seem to imply, not how much freedom of association or speech people living under Autocrats or extremist Mullahs enjoy.

You make the further mistake of seeming to believe that media (which in the chase for readers and ratings) present a balanced picture of normal Muslims. it doesn't.

 

[MVP]

You simply got utterly defeated on the debate of whether or not Islam is violent and have resorted to slander and lies on Prophet Muhammad.

Dude you are such a pathetic ignorant and dumb that I am done talking with you. I got defeated? 270 mil people killed by Islam since its creation ( you admitted that in earlier posts ) and now you saying it is not violent? The principal basis of Islam is violence!

The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Islamic scholars. In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures. There are about 500 verses in the Quran that speak of Allah’s hatred for non-Muslims and the punishment that he has prepared for their unbelief. For example : Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Stop arguing as losing this worse and worse every day. I guess muslims needed some excuse for their prophet so now they trying to blame "faulty" memory - what a joke. Are you arguing that Aisha was not one of 11 Muhhamads wife's???
So every muslim must believe a single word in Quran right? You claiming that you are man of science ( ROFL).... so you must believe ( same like Muhhamad as he had no clue about astronomy) that sun orbits the Earth.

1) "And made the sun and the moon subservient. Each runs to a turns stated" (Al-Quran, part 13, Sura Al-Ra'ad (The Thunder)-13, verse 2)
2) "And He made the sun and the moon subservient for you which are constantly moving" (Al-Quran, part 13, Sura Ibraheem -14, verse 23)
3) And each (The moon the sun) is floating in an orbit." (Al-Quran, part 23, Sura Yaseen -36, verse 140)

It is thus quiet clear that the sun moves and it is obligatory upon every muslim to believe it. Because it is what Allah Almighty ordains us to believe. In the light of the Holy Quran and Hadith the theory of the rotation of the earth IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

There are thousands of wrong statements in Quran ( same as in any other religious book written by uneducated people thousands of years ago ). It is ok to have faith and believe in them if you chose to, but please stop calling yourself man of science - you do not know neither history nor science. End of story.

 

[PearlWatson]

Muslim males kill a ton of people.
Atheist males kill a ton of people.

Old farts with too much power and young males with no [political/social] power are the most dangerous creatures on the planet.

I'd say we sick the radical feminists on them but that's destroyed the American male.

It is better if we find some way to channel their destructive power into something more constructive. The Mormons know how to do this. The Muslims haven't figured it out yet.

 

[MVP]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analys...tolerance-tested-by-Islam/UPI-41711369714020/

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4385024,00.html

"It is all a result of a European softening, which the Muslims see as a weakness, as if they received Europe in their hands for free. They do not voluntarily blend in, entire neighborhoods perpetuate the culture they brought with them, they are not aware of the language and economy and stay in their enclaves. Once a French man of Algerian descent told me that they didn't move from Algeria to France, they brought Algeria to France.
According to many, demographics, which is the topic for many studies, is the red light. It points to the path in which the continent is headed – the European birthrate is at a continuous standstill while Muslim immigrants are doubling their rates.
"If they wanted to integrate within the society, as European leaders had hoped, this wouldn't be an issue," said Keidar. "But since they want to keep their identities and change Europe, it is obviously a big issue. Every year more Muslims than non-Muslims are born in France. Japan has no Muslims because they don't allow them in. Racism? Maybe. Superiority? Maybe. They don't care. They want to sustain Japan and are looking down on everyone."


Why western countries can't be like Japan?

 

[The Black Swordsman]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analys...tolerance-tested-by-Islam/UPI-41711369714020/

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4385024,00.html

"It is all a result of a European softening, which the Muslims see as a weakness, as if they received Europe in their hands for free. They do not voluntarily blend in, entire neighborhoods perpetuate the culture they brought with them, they are not aware of the language and economy and stay in their enclaves. Once a French man of Algerian descent told me that they didn't move from Algeria to France, they brought Algeria to France.
According to many, demographics, which is the topic for many studies, is the red light. It points to the path in which the continent is headed – the European birthrate is at a continuous standstill while Muslim immigrants are doubling their rates.
"If they wanted to integrate within the society, as European leaders had hoped, this wouldn't be an issue," said Keidar. "But since they want to keep their identities and change Europe, it is obviously a big issue. Every year more Muslims than non-Muslims are born in France. Japan has no Muslims because they don't allow them in. Racism? Maybe. Superiority? Maybe. They don't care. They want to sustain Japan and are looking down on everyone."


Why western countries can't be like Japan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Qkss8VLXQ

On side note one of my friends dad is Chinese. His grandpa was the worlds first translator of the Qur'an to Chinese.

 

[The Midnight]

Please excuse my ignorant, but what is the Muslim community as a whole doing about all these extremists attacks?

 

[MVP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Qkss8VLXQ
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What author of article means is, that even with most optimistic data number of muslims in Japan including foreign muslims who are non residents on temporary work permits is less then 0.1% of whole population. And Japan's strict immigration laws are not allowing massive muslim immigration like for example lax laws of Sweden or Switzerland. Compare that to 5% or more in some European countries and maybe even brainwashed numbnut like you will get the point.
It is ok to have 0.1% muslims in your country. When it reaches +5% it becomes a problem and threat to it.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Please excuse my ignorant, but what is the Muslim community as a whole doing about all these extremists attacks?

Taliban about 36,000 members
Al-Qaeda unknown. Some estimates at couple hundred, some at a couple thousand, lets say 4 thousand.
Hezbollah and HAMAS each have about about 10,000
I have gave some of the largest ones.

That adds up to about 60,000 people. There are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world. That adds up to less then .05%. Lets judge 99.95% of Muslims on them.

Keep in Mind Pol Pot alone killed 2 million. Mao 65 million. Stalin 20 million.

Supplimenting FBI Data from 1950-2005 Saying only 6% of Terrorist Attacks Were Committed by Muslims, Europol Released a Report Saying From 2006-2008, Less Than .5% Attacks Were Committed by Muslims.
FBI data says less than half a percent of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims over two years.
https://www.loonwatch.com/2011/11/updated-europol-data-less-than-1-of-terrorist-attacks-by-muslims/

 

[The Midnight]

Taliban about 36,000 members
Al-Qaeda unknown. Some estimates at couple hundred, some at a couple thousand, lets say 4 thousand.
Hezbollah and HAMAS each have about about 10,000
I have gave some of the largest ones.

That adds up to about 60,000 people. There are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world. That adds up to less then .05%. Lets judge 99.95% of Muslims on them.

Keep in Mind Pol Pot alone killed 2 million. Mao 65 million. Stalin 20 million.

Supplimenting FBI Data from 1950-2005 Saying only 6% of Terrorist Attacks Were Committed by Muslims, Europol Released a Report Saying From 2006-2008, Less Than .5% Attacks Were Committed by Muslims.
FBI data says less than half a percent of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims over two years.
https://www.loonwatch.com/2011/11/updated-europol-data-less-than-1-of-terrorist-attacks-by-muslims/

I understand that these guys are extremists - if you read my question I've been very careful in stating that.

Moving on to how to fix this issue..

Please if you could answer my original question: "What is the Muslim community as a whole (1.4 billion as you've said), doing about the situation at hand?"