More Muslim violence in Europe

[PearlWatson]

3) Be nice, co-existing, and polite to your siblings, parents, cousins, neighbours, and fellow strangers. I go with a motto of trying to be as nice to each and every sinlge person I meet, as possible. In fact, I go out of my way to try and connect with strangers, especially if they share beliefs or lifestyles different than mine. In my opinion, this sort of approach is one that is endorsed by, and what I have learned from Islam.

 

[Stoked]

The difference is that those advocating for more gun control have statistics on their side, not anecdotes.

There are just as many statistics against gun control.

 

[One Brow]

What statistics?

https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Taking rights away from citizens is not the answer. It does more harm than good. Of course I expect irrational people to disagree with the facts.

The ones available from the federal government. Homes with guns have higher death rates from guns.

I don't disagree with facts, but I do disagree with selective presentation and questionable interpretation of facts. For example, which of the facts on your website do you think argues against gun control, and why?

 

[One Brow]

eh? Ethnic/Religious violence, including terrorism, is a pretty serious issue in Indonesia.

In comparison to to other ethnically diverse countries (and even some non-diverse countries) in Southern Asia?

 

[One Brow]

There are just as many statistics against gun control.

I find those statistics tend to be confounded with other epidemiological factors. If homes in the same neighborhood that lack guns are safer than homes in the same neighborhood with guns, and you see this in neighborhoods all across the spectrum, that makes guns the significant factor. When you compare crime rates in State X between years Y and Z, there are a lot of compounding factors.

 

[Stoked]

I find those statistics tend to be confounded with other epidemiological factors. If homes in the same neighborhood that lack guns are safer than homes in the same neighborhood with guns, and you see this in neighborhoods all across the spectrum, that makes guns the significant factor. When you compare crime rates in State X between years Y and Z, there are a lot of compounding factors.

I'd type up a rebuttal but there is a 6,000 page thread on that already.

 

[PearlWatson]

The ones available from the federal government. Homes with guns have higher death rates from guns.

That's really creepy.

If the feds know which homes do or do not have guns we have greater problems then libs pulling stats out of their ***.

 

[One Brow]

That's really creepy.

If the feds know which homes do or do not have guns we have greater problems then libs pulling stats out of their ***.

If there are licenses or permits of any sort, the government knows of them, because the government assigns them.

 

[PearlWatson]

If there are licenses or permits of any sort, the government knows of them, because the government assigns them.

"the government" shouldn't be the feds but the states which issue them

 

[One Brow]

"the government" shouldn't be the feds but the states which issue them

YOu think they should stop sharing information? That will negatively impact law enforcement.

 

[Stoked]

YOu think they should stop sharing information? That will negatively impact law enforcement.

State/Federal sharing is not as frequent or as easy as most people assume. Hell! Federal agencies have a hard time sharing information amoung themselves let alone including the states.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

"the government" shouldn't be the feds but the states which issue them

State laws can be as oppressive/restrictive of federal laws. Regardless of what level of government enacts it, the result is pretty much the same.

I like the federalism system we have in the US. In some respects, I prefer decisions made at the federal level because in some or many cases, as in theory, these decisions represent a much greater diversity of interests

Whereas at the state level, it is theoretically much easier for majorities to oppress the minorities or pass laws that reflect their views but not broader social consensus. Most prominent example is Evangelicals attempting to legislate religious dogma, but there are many others.

I like Federalism, I think it's on balance, a good thing, though imperfect in its execution.