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fishonjazz said:
Fair point. I know this has nothing to do with your point and admit to totally moving the goal posts but I think there might be a reason for the difference.

I have never seen Paul pelosi or the Minnesota Democrats who were assassinated go around the country picking fights with anyone and everyone and say things like empathy is bad and gun deaths are a fine price to pay to own a gun and use Nazi symbols etc.

Could be that the reaction from some posters was influenced by Kirks own career and the rhetoric that comes with it. His career seems to be based on come at me bro. He wants to anger people with his debates. He wants to own the libs. That is how he makes money. If he showed up to these debates and everyone was like "I agree with you charlie, great point" and then they give each other a nice hug then he would not make any money. He wants the anger to generate clicks.

Maybe if the left wing equivalent of Charlie Kirk was killed we would see similar comments. Is there a left wing equivalent to Charlie Kirk?

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Good post. There isn't a left wing equivalent to Kirk.
 
str8line said:
Good post. There isn't a left wing equivalent to Kirk.
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There is no left wing equivalent to the hatred and violence on the right, I cannot think of anyone, anywhere advocating for a left wing version of what's happening on the far right. How ridiculous they are, shouting about communism. Communism? In 2025? People with imaginations like that should write kids books.
 
str8line said:
Good post. There isn't a left wing equivalent to Kirk.
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But they claim the left is worse. I would love for an honest republican to show us the left equivalent of Kirk, Bannon and Trump himself. Show us who on the left is posting memes about bringing the apocalypse down on American cities just because the Governor and Mayor state their opinion that military intervention isn't needed. And that is one of literally HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of such comment by our Fascist in Chief. Show us the left equivalent there please, or STFU and GTFO.
 
There are no popular democrat voices you morons. When your positions are widely unpopular and incoherent it is difficult to grow a following.

Hmmm... a popular democrat voice that republicans desperately want to murder because they are effective at encouraging young people to vote and engage in discourse? Of course there are not democrat equivalents to Charlie Kirk.

Can you believe that most people don't see how constantly focusing all their energy into hating Trump doesn't improve their lives? Constantly hating Trump is about all online democrat influencers can offer. Most college kids are noticing, and have moved way beyond the Trump hate you morons have dedicated your lives to.
 
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Rubashov said:
I stand by what I've said, people like Kirk, Bannon, Trump, they're scum. The world will be better without them, they spend their lives creating division and profiting from it. You may not have another free election in your country, ponder that, consider Charlie Kirk's significant role in making that a reasonable possibility.
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not really sure what your point is. are you saying Kirk deserved to die?
 
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seattlejazzfan said:
not really sure what your point is. are you saying Kirk deserved to die?
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I'm saying, if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. He made his living off causing division and hatred, that's what he's putting out in the world, is anyone surprised it has been visited back upon him?

This guy isn't Martin Luther King.
 
infection said:
Could you please quote what you’re referring to? I’ve looked over the thread and I’m not seeing anyone saying 1) they’re happy, 2) they support it, 3) Paul Pelosi deserved it, 4) Paul Pelosi should burn in hell, 5) I’m glad it happened, 6) karma’s a bitch, 7) etc., 8) etc.

Again, if I’ve missed this, please share.
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I think this is a fair point and an apology is owed. After reviewing this thread, I don’t think posters on this site indicates support for the horrible act on Pelosi. I do think throughout this thread one can read jokes from leaders, prominent media personalities, and others about the horrible act on Pelosi. This type of rhetoric is just toxic to the soul. The act against Kirk has prompted some soul searching on my part. He definitely did not deserve what happened to him and this really is a horrible tragedy here in Utah. I really desire to spend my time doing other things. Especially with a growing family, I plan on spending my idle time on other things. I’d hope others reassess their life situations. The overheated rhetoric really needs to end. I certainly don’t want to take my family to a movie or park and end up being shot by some crazy person angry at the world.
 
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I think this is a fair point and an apology is owed. After reviewing this thread, I don’t think posters on this site indicates support for the horrible act on Pelosi. I do think throughout this thread one can read jokes from leaders, prominent media personalities, and others about the horrible act on Pelosi. This type of rhetoric is just toxic to the soul. The act against Kirk has prompted some soul searching on my part. He definitely did not deserve what happened to him and this really is a horrible tragedy here in Utah. I really desire to spend my time doing other things. Especially with a growing family, I plan on spending my idle time on other things. I’d hope others reassess their life situations. The overheated rhetoric really needs to end. I certainly don’t want to take my family to a movie or park and end up being shot by some crazy person angry at the world.
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This is the type of post that, if directed to me, I would be sure to respond to with a kudos and good on you for admitting you were wrong and apologizing.
 
https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...p-vance-tpusa-republicans-democrats- 00558094

Why Charlie Kirk Had No Counterpart on the Left​


Charlie Kirk understood — perhaps more so than anyone except Donald Trump himself — how power really operates within the MAGA movement.

As the myriad tributes to Kirk in the day since his death have captured, he served a dizzying array of functions within the broader Trumpian universe: a firebrand activist and debater; a media mega-personality overseeing a vast digital empire; the head of a multi-million-dollar political machine at Turning Point USA; a popularizer of the ideological fashions of the young and online right; an occasional adviser to Trump and his inner circle; and a bosom buddy with many of the most powerful denizens of the White House and Mar-a-Lago.

Kirk has no real equivalent on the left. A rough approximation of a left-leaning Kirk would begin with some amalgamation of gun control activist-turned-erstwhile-DNC official David Hogg with the party consensus voice of the Pod Save America crew, supplemented by the online edginess of lefty streamer Hasan Piker and the institution-building power of a George Soros.

Yet such a figure on the left is probably impossible. Kirk’s preternatural charisma and otherworldly fundraising abilities no doubt played a major role in his rise: During his early days of building TPUSA, stories circulated of skeptical megadonors writing five-figure checks after even the briefest of encounters with the 18-year-old Kirk.

But a figure like Kirk is probably only possible within the unique circumstances of Trump’s GOP. Throughout his career, Kirk’s real superpower was intuiting — and deftly exploiting — the institutional hollowness of the Republican Party under Trump. Beginning in 2016, he systematically built political organizations to fulfill the functions once served by the party infrastructure that Trump destroyed. In the place of anemic campus groups like College Republicans, Kirk built Turning Point USA into a grassroots powerhouse with chapters on over 800 campuses. In the place of party-run turnout operations, he expanded the organization’s activist arm, Turning Point Action, into a multi-million dollar get-out-the-vote machine. He inserted his podcasts and his social media presences into the space left by traditional party messaging and media initiatives. As the GOP became an increasingly hollow shell with Trump — and Trump alone — at its core, Kirk created new institutional scaffolds to keep the rickety structure together around its leader.

He was clear about his ambition to turn TPUSA into a kind of substitute for all the old official actors of the right. “We want to be an institution in this country that is as well-known and as powerful as The New York Times, Harvard and tech companies,” Kirk recently told Deseret News. “And we believe we’re creating that.”

He didn’t quite succeed, but the success he did achieve gave him real political power within the GOP. In 2021, he identified then-candidate JD Vance as a rising figure in the MAGA movement and introduced Vance to the powers-that-be in Trump world. By some accounts, TPUSA’s get-out-the-vote efforts in swing states like Arizona and Wisconsin helped tip the 2024 election in Trump’s favor, earning Kirk a quietly powerful role in Trump’s transition effort and a direct line to the Oval Office.
 
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