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Why Charlie Kirk Had No Counterpart on the Left​


Charlie Kirk understood — perhaps more so than anyone except Donald Trump himself — how power really operates within the MAGA movement.

As the myriad tributes to Kirk in the day since his death have captured, he served a dizzying array of functions within the broader Trumpian universe: a firebrand activist and debater; a media mega-personality overseeing a vast digital empire; the head of a multi-million-dollar political machine at Turning Point USA; a popularizer of the ideological fashions of the young and online right; an occasional adviser to Trump and his inner circle; and a bosom buddy with many of the most powerful denizens of the White House and Mar-a-Lago.

Kirk has no real equivalent on the left. A rough approximation of a left-leaning Kirk would begin with some amalgamation of gun control activist-turned-erstwhile-DNC official David Hogg with the party consensus voice of the Pod Save America crew, supplemented by the online edginess of lefty streamer Hasan Piker and the institution-building power of a George Soros.

Yet such a figure on the left is probably impossible. Kirk’s preternatural charisma and otherworldly fundraising abilities no doubt played a major role in his rise: During his early days of building TPUSA, stories circulated of skeptical megadonors writing five-figure checks after even the briefest of encounters with the 18-year-old Kirk.

But a figure like Kirk is probably only possible within the unique circumstances of Trump’s GOP. Throughout his career, Kirk’s real superpower was intuiting — and deftly exploiting — the institutional hollowness of the Republican Party under Trump. Beginning in 2016, he systematically built political organizations to fulfill the functions once served by the party infrastructure that Trump destroyed. In the place of anemic campus groups like College Republicans, Kirk built Turning Point USA into a grassroots powerhouse with chapters on over 800 campuses. In the place of party-run turnout operations, he expanded the organization’s activist arm, Turning Point Action, into a multi-million dollar get-out-the-vote machine. He inserted his podcasts and his social media presences into the space left by traditional party messaging and media initiatives. As the GOP became an increasingly hollow shell with Trump — and Trump alone — at its core, Kirk created new institutional scaffolds to keep the rickety structure together around its leader.

He was clear about his ambition to turn TPUSA into a kind of substitute for all the old official actors of the right. “We want to be an institution in this country that is as well-known and as powerful as The New York Times, Harvard and tech companies,” Kirk recently told Deseret News. “And we believe we’re creating that.”

He didn’t quite succeed, but the success he did achieve gave him real political power within the GOP. In 2021, he identified then-candidate JD Vance as a rising figure in the MAGA movement and introduced Vance to the powers-that-be in Trump world. By some accounts, TPUSA’s get-out-the-vote efforts in swing states like Arizona and Wisconsin helped tip the 2024 election in Trump’s favor, earning Kirk a quietly powerful role in Trump’s transition effort and a direct line to the Oval Office.
 
PJF said:
@fishonjazz, your two favorite conspiracies debunked.


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This one is a tricky one. Vance is known to have significant mental health issues and was out of touch with reality- so that would indicate he was a democrat.
In his letter he states that he had opportunities to murder and shoot at cops and he chose not to, so that would indicate that he is a republican.
His hit list was mostly democrats, but it will be interesting to see what happens with this trial.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Fair point. I know this has nothing to do with your point and admit to totally moving the goal posts but I think there might be a reason for the difference.

I have never seen Paul pelosi or the Minnesota Democrats who were assassinated go around the country picking fights with anyone and everyone and say things like empathy is bad and gun deaths are a fine price to pay to own a gun and use Nazi symbols etc.

Could be that the reaction from some posters was influenced by Kirks own career and the rhetoric that comes with it. His career seems to be based on come at me bro. He wants to anger people with his debates. He wants to own the libs. That is how he makes money. If he showed up to these debates and everyone was like "I agree with you charlie, great point" and then they give each other a nice hug then he would not make any money. He wants the anger to generate clicks.

Maybe if the left wing equivalent of Charlie Kirk was killed we would see similar comments. Is there a left wing equivalent to Charlie Kirk?

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lol- What if you try and justify his murder another way dur?
What if there was a made up hypothetical situation where a democrat was murdered and republicans supported it, then there would be evidence, right? dur
If there was any online democrats that were popular and hated by republicans and they were murdered then maybe the hypothetical situation in my head could potentially be true and republicans would be really bad, right? dur
These are all important and necessary points to fit my need to justify democrats and their continued support for atrocities around the world and in our country.
Those are some really crazy gymnastics bro
 
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First table is since 1975.

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Assessing the Extent of Political Violence in America

Cato Institute scholar has a great overview of the data on how much political violence there is, and who perpetrates it. It is less prevalent than many think, and right-wing political violence is more common than the left-wing kind.
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10 political violence experts discuss what comes next for America:


And, if it’s up to this guy, there will soon be camps for Democrats:


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reason.com

Assessing the Extent of Political Violence in America

Cato Institute scholar has a great overview of the data on how much political violence there is, and who perpetrates it. It is less prevalent than many think, and right-wing political violence is more common than the left-wing kind.
reason.com reason.com

10 political violence experts discuss what comes next for America:


And, if it’s up to this guy, there will soon be camps for Democrats:


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You can post all the ******** justifications you want retard.
For most sane individuals that don't have TDS brain melt they aren't going to see your point of view that Charlie Kirk needed to be murdered in a political assassination in front of his wife and kids by a radical psychopath.
If your tendency is to justify or celebrate this murder you should reevaluate your life, period.
 
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Red said:

First table is since 1975.

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reason.com

Assessing the Extent of Political Violence in America

Cato Institute scholar has a great overview of the data on how much political violence there is, and who perpetrates it. It is less prevalent than many think, and right-wing political violence is more common than the left-wing kind.
reason.com reason.com

10 political violence experts discuss what comes next for America:


And, if it’s up to this guy, there will soon be camps for Democrats:


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Great illustration to show that this isn't a "left is so violent but the right isn't" issue like many are trying to portray. Like the president for example.
 
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