Mormons and Gays.

[Stoked]

Silly me. I thought the goal was communicaiton, not pontification.

It is. But your attempt to place everything into "laywer speak" if you will is no more useful than "pontification".

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Just for the record Pete, I'm LDS, and I have no problem with gay marriage (I certainly don't consider my self the standard, tho...)

Most people on this site are LDS. I have no issue with members of the LDS Church, I just think the stance it takes on homosexuality, and women, is unfortunate to put it lightly.

I hope my opinions on this subject are not a reflection of my opinions of individuals, but the LDS Church's doctrine and nothing more.

 

[spycam1]

Most people on this site are LDS. I have no issue with members of the LDS Church, I just think the stance it takes on homosexuality, and women, is unfortunate to put it lightly.

I hope my opinions on this subject are not a reflection of my opinions of individuals, but the LDS Church's doctrine and nothing more.

If you had to sum up why the LDS Church considers homosexuality a sin, what would you say?

 

[Bronco70]

Most people on this site are LDS. I have no issue with members of the LDS Church, I just think the stance it takes on homosexuality, and women, is unfortunate to put it lightly.

I hope my opinions on this subject are not a reflection of my opinions of individuals, but the LDS Church's doctrine and nothing more.

I understand where you're coming from. I just wanted you to know that not all of us are anti gay marriage.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I understand where you're coming from. I just wanted you to know that not all of us are anti gay marriage.

Honestly, many of my LDS friends are not against gay marriage.

 

[moevillini]

This thread has run its course, and nobody probably cares, but this is my perspective on GM, in a nutshell:

The problem is two-pronged.

1. Rights, privileges, and benefits extended to married couples. If there is inequity in any of these from heterosexual couples to homosexual couples, then one is not being treated equally, as the constitution guarantees. That's a problem. This would really be an easy fix, if it were the only issue. Make every "marriage", in the eyes of the gov't, a domestic partnership and extend the same rights to everyone. But, that isn't the only issue.

2. Essentially, one group is telling another group that the latter must abide by the former's beliefs. Admittedly, I used to think, "Why all the fuss over a title? Give a recognized domestic partnership the same rights as a marriage and everyone stop whining." I have since reconsidered my position. Being told that you can't have or be something that someone else can, because you're different by standards that are not your own, is irrational.

That's pretty much it.

agree with this

the complications I see, and I'm not sure exactly what I think, other than the rights should be equally extended to all, are these (from real examples of folks I know)

a neighbor's wife passed away, leaving him to raise 4 young children. her sister (his sister-in-law) moved in to the home to take care of the kids, and run the household and essentially be the domestic partner (exept that they did not have an intimate relationship) - this situation went on for about 4 years until the sister married her boyfriend (at that point the kids were all in school full time and the dad hired an after-school nanny) Because they each filed individual tax returns, they paid considerably more than they would have paid if they had been able to file a joint return.

an elderly widowed lady moves in with her elderly bachelor brother, after 12 years he passes away leaving his entire estate to his sister and her kids - - she paid relatively high estate taxes because she was not able to take advantage of the estate tax exclusion that a married couple would have taken

It seems to me that it would only be fair for the folks in situations such as these to have the same rights, privileges and benefits as anyone else - - I don't think it should have to depend on what sort of intimate relations you may or may not be having

 

[Archie Moses]

I hope my opinions on this subject are not a reflection of my opinions of individuals, but the LDS Church's doctrine and nothing more.

Would you rather the church change their doctrine to comply with your beliefs?

 

[Archie Moses]

Or you're just being called out on your **** and you're just unwilling to own it. Instead, you ebcome the victim and it's all their fault you think they're dirty sinners. Pardon me if I don't weap for you.

You're a cool guy, but whenever there is a thread about mormons, you're a whinny bitch. With that said, I still like you cause you give me 5 bucks once.

 

[Archie Moses]

In my experience, just because someone is Mormon doesn't necessarily mean they are gay.

It can get confusing though after knowing some of the LDS posters on this site.

 

[JAG]

Most people on this site are LDS. I have no issue with members of the LDS Church, I just think the stance it takes on homosexuality, and women, is unfortunate to put it lightly.

I hope my opinions on this subject are not a reflection of my opinions of individuals, but the LDS Church's doctrine and nothing more.

I know that I'm getting off topic here but what exactly is your understanding on the LDS church's stance on women?

 

[Stoked]

I know that I'm getting off topic here but what exactly is your understanding on the LDS church's stance on women?

they are Mormons so it has to be oppressive and some form of slavery right.

 

[JAG]

they are Mormons so it has to be oppressive and some form of slavery right.

I knew it. Those dang Mormons....