Okur had to be out there during the Sloan era. He was key to floor spacing and flow of our offense.
Most Likely Amnesty Clauses: Mehmet Okur
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Well, he has to have a jersey to wear in the games. Hopefully that is the one they are selling.
AlaskanAssassin
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This doesn't sound accurate. Here is how Larry Coon of ESPN describes the Amnesty clause compared to the one in 2005:
Amnesty provision
• 2005 CBA: One player can be waived prior to the start of the 2005-06 season. The salary of the waived player will not count toward the luxury tax.
• 2011 CBA: One player can be waived prior to the start of any season (only one player can be amnestied during the agreement, and contracts signed under the new CBA are not eligible). The salary of the waived player will not count toward the salary cap or luxury tax. Teams with cap room can submit competing offers to acquire an amnestied player (at a reduced rate) before he hits free agency and can sign with any team.
• Who benefits? As with the amnesty provision in the 2005 agreement, this provision allows teams to kick one bad contract to the curb. The benefits to amnesty are greater now than they were in 2005 -- 100 percent of the player's salary is removed for both cap and tax purposes. The other big change is that teams are allowed to pocket their amnesty card to use later -- so teams that managed their cap well to this point benefit because they don't have to use it or lose it.
Teams with cap room can benefit greatly from the amnesty provision by being able to submit a competing offer to claim an amnestied player at a reduced rate. For example, if Cleveland uses its amnesty provision on Baron Davis, a team that is $5 million below the salary cap can submit a $5 million offer to acquire Davis' contract. If that offer is the highest, the team acquires Davis and is responsible for $5 million of his salary -- with Cleveland responsible for the balance. This happens before Davis becomes a free agent and can sign on his own with a team like Miami.
https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one
AlaskanAssassin
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In other words, the team that uses the Amnesty Clause on a player will only be responsible for the remaining salary balance if the player is signed by another team. In addition, it sounds like the Amnestied (is this a word?) player doesn't get to choose where they play, highest bidder wins!
GVC
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The waived player gets paid his contract, regardless, it just doesn't count against the salary cap/luxury tax for the waiving team.
The second part of Coon's explanation gives the Jazz an incentive to cut Memo loose IF there's an amnestied player the Jazz want to bid on. That is, waiving Memo would give the Jazz an additional $11mil to make a bid for an amnestied player. If that player can be had for substantially less than his contract value (since, presumably, the player is overpaid), it could then be a boon to teams willing to spend a bit extra but not go into LT territory (the Jazz?). In this case, the team that waived the player need only pay the difference between what the player is being paid by his new team and his original salary.
If we knew Kanter would be decent, I would suggest we amnesty Jefferson.
He messes up our team chemistry anyways, and if we are trying to teach the young guys and get them minutes we might want to do this anyways.
Food for thought.
He messes up our team chemistry anyways, and if we are trying to teach the young guys and get them minutes we might want to do this anyways.
Food for thought.
I'm not bashful about my visions of a Jeffersonless Jazz, but he should have AT LEAST enough value so the Jazz don't have to face paying him to not even be here and getting absolutely nothing in return besides minutes and their offense back.
Wait...
I'm 50/50 on this, and have been having quite the argument with myself on this... for exactly the reasons you just talked about.
Which is more important to the Jazz, getting their identity back and working as a team, or getting some value out of Jefferson?
billyshelby
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Amnestying Jefferson is so crazy I can't believe I'm writing this.
Agreed, if you made a list of the hundreds of current NBA players and asked GM's who should be amnestied first, Al wouldn't even make the first page. Stop it.