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Move On From Hayward?

fishonjazz said:
I don't get your point. Do you think that I believe we should only trade Hayward for a guy that will be the best player on a championship team? That's way too ambitious. I don't expect Hayward to net us a player like lebron or curry. That's silly.

Why did you even bring up kyrie?

My whole point is that I believe we need a player better than Hayward.

I would love to get a guy as good as kyrie on the jazz.
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I agree we need a guy better than Hayward on the team to win a ring. Or at least a couple who are just as good. But i would much prefer to still have Hayward on the team as well.
 
DownUnder said:
I agree we need a guy better than Hayward on the team to win a ring. Or at least a couple who are just as good. But i would much prefer to still have Hayward on the team as well.
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Ya me too. I hope that the salary Hayward gets doesn't ever hinder us from being able to sign a true star.... And again, the best way to get a star is with a top draft pick. Hayward maybe could net us that. (Though I think maybe the teams with the top picks know this as well and know that Hayward is not a star and so they would most likely not do the trade anyway)

I saw a rumor that the bulls wanted trade butler for a top pick. That's interesting. I wonder if the teams with the top picks will do that trade even for a proven all star that is on a better contract than Haywards will be.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya me too. I hope that the salary Hayward gets doesn't ever hinder us from being able to sign a true star.... And again, the best way to get a star is with a top draft pick. Hayward maybe could net us that. (Though I think maybe the teams with the top picks know this as well and know that Hayward is not a star and so they would most likely not do the trade anyway)

I saw a rumor that the bulls wanted trade butler for a top pick. That's interesting. I wonder if the teams with the top picks will do that trade even for a proven all star that is on a better contract than Haywards will be.
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I wonder if the rumors of his locker room personality will hurt his trade value.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya me too. I hope that the salary Hayward gets doesn't ever hinder us from being able to sign a true star.... And again, the best way to get a star is with a top draft pick. Hayward maybe could net us that. (Though I think maybe the teams with the top picks know this as well and know that Hayward is not a star and so they would most likely not do the trade anyway)

I saw a rumor that the bulls wanted trade butler for a top pick. That's interesting. I wonder if the teams with the top picks will do that trade even for a proven all star that is on a better contract than Haywards will be.
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Lol we wouldn't be able to sign a true star even if we had the cap by letting Hayward walk. When was the last time we signed a top 20 player in the offseason? Only way we get a true star is with a high draft pick, and I really don't want to see this team tank again.

DownUnder said:
I wonder if the rumors of his locker room personality will hurt his trade value.
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I haven't heard anything of his locker room personality, am I missing something or is this just a joke?
 
Rgiss said:
Lol we wouldn't be able to sign a true star even if we had the cap by letting Hayward walk. When was the last time we signed a top 20 player in the offseason? Only way we get a true star is with a high draft pick, and I really don't want to see this team tank again.
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Lol you think I have been arguing for us to sign a free agent star? Nope I have been saying we should try to get a top draft pick. That's the best way to acquire a star.
I don't think we have to tank to get a top pick.
 
^^^^That would be awesome!
 
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Reggie (Portland, OR):
It's pretty obvious that LeBron is at the stage of his career where he's moving to the 4, and Kevin Love needs to go. What type of player (s) should Cleveland look for in return. Defensive wings? I like Hayward and Hood for Love.

Kevin Pelton (3:43 PM):
I still think you're probably going to need to sell to LeBron that he's not the power forward, at least during the regular season. So I think ideally a player you'd look to get in return could plausibly be considered a power forward. I like Danilo Gallinari from that standpoint. Jae Crowder would be awesome but I don't see the Celtics trading him for Love. I also think the Jazz would hang up the phone before the Cavaliers could even finish that offer given how little sense Love makes for a team with two starting frontcourt players.


Atom (Athens, GA)
A fair amount of fans want their franchises to trade up in this draft to get X player. What are the chances a top 10 pick in this draft develops into a player as good as Gordon Hayward?

Kevin Pelton (4:18 PM)
A couple of years ago I looked at the distribution of outcomes for players based on their stats-only projections: https://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/11138673/marcus-smart-top-draft-prospects-based-warp-nba

Hayward's career is probably somewhere between the average of the players with 3-4 projected WARP and those with 4-plus WARP. So let's say a Hayward-equivalent prospect would have to have a WARP projection around 4. Nobody in this draft has that good a projection.

Now obviously you're also getting this player on a bargain contract, so whether they're likely to be as good as Hayward isn't the only relevant metric. But that should put into stark relief how much uncertainty there is about every draft prospect.
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Later on twitter:
Kevin Pelton ‏@kpelton 12m12 minutes ago
@Clarkpojo To be clear, no player being likely to be as good as Hayward doesn't mean that ever player is likely to be worse than Hayward.
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Kevin Pelton ‏@kpelton 12m12 minutes ago
@Clarkpojo Someone almost certainly will be better. We just don't know who yet.
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Clark Schmutz @Clarkpojo

@kpelton I assume and took away from your statement that trading Hayward for any of this year's players is too risky, if you were Jazz GM?
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Kevin Pelton ‏@kpelton 5m5 minutes ago
@Clarkpojo I wouldn't do it unless you think he's going to lave as a free agent.
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