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Move On From Hayward?

King Cy said:
What a dumbass retarded ****ing post.

You know Hayward is the only player with a 100 or more possessions against Kahwi Leonard to avearge over a point per possession? So of all the ****ing alphas out there, Hayward is doing better than any of then (or at least better than most)vs Leonard.

Take a seat.
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Eh...I watched all these games. Hayward could do nothing. You watched them too and and know it.
Two years ago, maybe Hayward did better, but the recent results is a far more accurate predictor of the future. If we were to play them in the playoffs it could be cringe worthy.
 
King Cy said:
I think this is largely an emotional element involved. Paying any NBA player outside of Durant/Lebron/Curry/Westbrook seems ridiculous because 30 million is way more than what we are use to paying any NBA player. When people realize that is what the market is, they will understand and be more objective in their reasoning.
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It's not one or the other it's both. The market for players are going up however if you're paying B+ Hayward like A Leonard then you are creating a losing situation. Eventually you'll have to pay all your other B or C+ players. And sooner or later somebody's leaving. Since Gordon is a B+ he's going to need more help. It's a conundrum. The best thing for smaller less glamour markets to do is try to create a winning situation with guys on rookie contracts. Let them mature and start winning together and hope winning trumps chasing max dollars. Or find a bunch of lose pieces that's affordable that fit well.

Paying Hayward like James and Curry is the equivalent of trying to beat the Warriors going small. They are by far the best at it so do something different. Take advantage of their weaknesses instead of trying to beat them at their strengths when you are under manned.
 
da ThRONe said:
It's not one or the other it's both. The market for players are going up however if you're paying B+ Hayward like A Leonard then you are creating a losing situation. Eventually you'll have to pay all your other B or C+ players. And sooner or later somebody's leaving. Since Gordon is a B+ he's going to need more help. It's a conundrum. The best thing for smaller less glamour markets to do is try to create a winning situation with guys on rookie contracts. Let them mature and start winning together and hope winning trumps chasing max dollars. Or find a bunch of lose pieces that's affordable that fit well.

Paying Hayward like James and Curry is the equivalent of trying to beat the Warriors going small. They are by far the best at it so do something different. Take advantage of their weaknesses instead of trying to beat them at their strengths when you are under manned.
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Every player coming off a rookie contract will go for max dollars out there, it's their first chance to get "paid".
Barnes turned down a great offer and situation in GS to get the absolute max.
 
One of the problems with the max is that they assume that's what players like Bron, Curry, Durant, etc are worth. They're actually underpaid.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Every player coming off a rookie contract will go for max dollars out there, it's their first chance to get "paid".
Barnes turned down a great offer and situation in GS to get the absolute max.
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But even those contracts are cost control compared to guys on their third contracts.
 
I think the Jazz will position themselves to keep Hayward and max him. He's a unique and valuable enough player due to his versatility that maxing him probably makes sense in the bigger picture. If Boston offers a haul for Hayward with the belief they can re-sign him, the Jazz may listen, but their hand won't be forced. If Hayward walks, the Jazz will take step back, but they'll have their young players to build with.

If the Jazz need to move a contract in order to extend Gobert, they can look at moving Favors instead.
 
I do think that ultimately keeping Hayward, Gobert and Favors on rich deals is unlikely. Even if everyone stays, tying up $70M/year or more in those three guys isn't going to be conducive to getting past the 2nd round of the playoffs, since the main guys on the Clippers, Thunder and possibly even the T'wolves will probably be better than our trio.
 
Catchall said:
I do think that ultimately keeping Hayward, Gobert and Favors on rich deals is unlikely. Even if everyone stays, tying up $70M/year or more in those three guys isn't going to be conducive to getting past the 2nd round of the playoffs, since the main guys on the Clippers, Thunder and possibly even the T'wolves will probably be better than our trio.
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Not to mention having 6th man of the year Crawford and sharpshooter Reddick all these years. The Jazz will certainly be trying to do the impossible with the team approach. Maybe someone breaks out these next couple years, who knows right?
 
People are too worried about our players needing big contracts in the future. If young players like Exum, Hood, and Lyles get better and demand big contracts we can trade players in the future. Hayward and Favors will be trade-able in the future. We dont have a better player than Hayward to pay max money to. Multiple teams are willing to pay Hayward the Max next off season so that is his market value. We should pay him his market value and keep him instead of trading him for a pick that has a lower chance of becoming better than him and setting this team back 2+ years. We also can go into luxury tax threshold to keep our players in the future if this team becomes good. The current ownership has already shown they are willing to do this if needed. They did it in the Dwill Booze era.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Not to mention having 6th man of the year Crawford and sharpshooter Reddick all these years. The Jazz will certainly be trying to do the impossible with the team approach. Maybe someone breaks out these next couple years, who knows right?
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Well the elephant in the living room here is that the Jazz appear to have a 6'10" PF who is showing the ability to shoot the ball, create his own shot, make a play with a pass and also put the ball on the floor and score in the paint with either hand---and it isn't Derrick Favors. Plus they have an elite paint defender/rebounder who can score a little on the pick-and-roll, and that's not Derrick Favors either. So given the circumstances, if the Jazz are forced to choose who to open the bank for, it might be Hayward and Gobert, not Favors.

If Hayward leaves as a free agent, then there's money in another year to pay Favors if that's what the Jazz want to do. The Jazz don't need to panic and make a move based on the premise that Hayward is leaving.
 
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