Mr. Corbin, where has this play gone?
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vegas
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I think you answered your question. I don't analyze tape the way you do, but as much as I don't agree with some of Corbin's decisions, you gotta believe that any coach has plays and plans for future direction of the playbook when players are ready.
My eyeball test says that he has significantly shrunk the playbook to correspond with a high turnover of players, younger personel, and let's face it, the BBIQ of Stock, Horny and Malone was special.
Agreed, vegas, but I think it's time to add some complexity with this group.
I don't recall much of this with Al Jefferson's group that should have been able to run it just fine. Maybe that was because Mo Williams sucked, and I don't remember the Devin Harris sets well enough.
I don't recall much of this with Al Jefferson's group that should have been able to run it just fine. Maybe that was because Mo Williams sucked, and I don't remember the Devin Harris sets well enough.
I am all for it. I think it is something that Burke, Hayward and Favors could use especially well.
Primetime
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Great thread franklin!
Remember when I talked about play action out of the post a couple of weeks back? That's what I was talking about. And actually and that was one of the few things I liked about yesterdays game. You would liked that too if you had watched it. There were two plays I never saw before or just don't remember but were really really nice.
The first play Derrick got the ball at the high post. Trey gave Gordon a little sceen under the basket after that Gordons defender fronted Gordon and Derrick throw a perfect pass over the top to Gordon for an easy layup. They ran that play a little later again but Derrick couldn't make the pass.
The second play was from Enes where he got the ball down low and he actually made a hand off to Alec who couldn't hit the reverse lay up because of traffic and because Enes was to low on the baseline and Alec didn't have much room to operate.
I know both plays are nothing dramatic or special but because we are not used to see Enes or Derrick facilliating it is worth mentioning. I'm by no means a Corbin fan and I still don't like his minute distribution but he is doing some good stuff lately that I never saw before from this group. And eventhough I know franklin don't want Enes to start but if we want to see Enes and Derrick together on the floor one of them has to be a better passer and I don't know if this is Corbins intention with those new looks but it will definitly help them!
Remember when I talked about play action out of the post a couple of weeks back? That's what I was talking about. And actually and that was one of the few things I liked about yesterdays game. You would liked that too if you had watched it. There were two plays I never saw before or just don't remember but were really really nice.
The first play Derrick got the ball at the high post. Trey gave Gordon a little sceen under the basket after that Gordons defender fronted Gordon and Derrick throw a perfect pass over the top to Gordon for an easy layup. They ran that play a little later again but Derrick couldn't make the pass.
The second play was from Enes where he got the ball down low and he actually made a hand off to Alec who couldn't hit the reverse lay up because of traffic and because Enes was to low on the baseline and Alec didn't have much room to operate.
I know both plays are nothing dramatic or special but because we are not used to see Enes or Derrick facilliating it is worth mentioning. I'm by no means a Corbin fan and I still don't like his minute distribution but he is doing some good stuff lately that I never saw before from this group. And eventhough I know franklin don't want Enes to start but if we want to see Enes and Derrick together on the floor one of them has to be a better passer and I don't know if this is Corbins intention with those new looks but it will definitly help them!
candrew
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For the most part I agree. However....
In all fairness to Corbin, most of these .gifs are from when teams were required to play man-to-man. Yeah, you can't park in the paint on defense; but it's much easier to bring the weak side help now on cuts to the basket.
For some reason, Kanter is being molded into poor man's Al Jefferson - when we get a real coaching staff in Utah perhaps this will change. Perhaps it won't.
Neither Kanter or Favors can handle the double - Malone could. That's why the perimeter players stand 20+ feet out on entry passes. Look at the cut by Stockton in the first .gif. He's starts his cut about 12 feet from the basket. You can't do that with this squad.
I think Favors has the potential of being a decent interior passer; but nothing resembling Malone's dynamics
In all fairness to Corbin, most of these .gifs are from when teams were required to play man-to-man. Yeah, you can't park in the paint on defense; but it's much easier to bring the weak side help now on cuts to the basket.
For some reason, Kanter is being molded into poor man's Al Jefferson - when we get a real coaching staff in Utah perhaps this will change. Perhaps it won't.
Neither Kanter or Favors can handle the double - Malone could. That's why the perimeter players stand 20+ feet out on entry passes. Look at the cut by Stockton in the first .gif. He's starts his cut about 12 feet from the basket. You can't do that with this squad.
I think Favors has the potential of being a decent interior passer; but nothing resembling Malone's dynamics
The Jazz were running variations of this set during the Williams/Boozer/Brewer days, usually with Brewer as the cutter.
DutchJazzer
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thats part of development for 3 years jazz went nowhere. wouldnt getting those plays down. practice them for 3 years(or this year atleast) to get the turnovers down.
repitition is the way to perfection. how much could they practice these sets in game in 82 games?
10-12 times a game? that would have been a thousand times a season.
the more this core groups play together with an actual playbook the better they get at it. isnt this part of development.
corbin is failing at this!
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candrew
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@ primetime - that sounds like 1-4 with the old flex cuts (last night's video is unavailable on stats.nba.com). I've been trying to find video to copy but coming up short. RJ's 7th shot here and Favors' assist to Burks can be seen here and crappy .gif below. The Jazz were running similar sets early on trying to get Hayward some post-up looks.
I'm a fan of running more 1-4 through Favors. They've been going through Marvin and Evans since switching Kanter out of the starting lineup.
This looks more like Ramon Sessions giving up on the play than anything else. LOL - WTF is Cody doing?
Plus Big Al was apparently on the bench at this moment so they had no one to lay the smack down at the rim
candrew
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Fair enough - I'm just pointing out that the first two .gifs were illustrations of the Jazz offensive players communicating with each other to create scoring opportunities - good defense being beaten by better offense. The gif from this season just represents a defensive breakdown by The Bobcats - no one picked up the cutter. In most instances, good defense shuts this play down.
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Did you watch the full play at that link? It actually was executed quite well. But you're right, which is why we only see this portion of this option scoring a handful of times per season.
jazzrule
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Running up your post count?
Quantity over quality bro