My argument for the death penalty...

[Hopper]

Your example involved lying in court, which I have acknowledged is a line that, when prosecutors cross it, does result in criminal charges.

Sure there was lying in that case, and many were indicted, not just the prosecutors. But the prosecutors were not bein charged with perjury--they didn't even testify.

 

[Hopper]

If public outrage fails to engage, then what? I haven't heard of any massive public backlash against the three prosecutors you mentioned.

Well, I dunno, eh, Eric? If it's a problem that really concerns you, or anyone else, then become an "activist" in the area and help whip up a frenzy of indignation, eh? If even 1/2 of the resources and energy put into attempts to abolish the death penalty were expended directly on attempting to achieve more criminal prosecution of criminal DA's, judges, and cops, I'm sure more progress would have been made by now.

 

[Hopper]

I'm not sure. I like the catch-phrase "beyond a shadow of a doubt", but I don't know what that would translate to legally.

OK, that would be fine with me. I as concerned about the punishment of innocent people as the next guy, I spect. You, and others here, seem to completely misunderstand and misconstrue my observation that "accidents" happen.

Life in prison, without parole, is a HORRIBLE fate, even worse than death, many would argue. I would NEVER want to see a guy falsely sentenced to that. But it happens. The question is what should we do about it? Like I said in the prior post, I don't think the appropriate answer is to abolish all laws or trials where it could be imposed. The problem must be attacked directly, not indirectly.

 

[billyshelby]

Well, I dunno, eh, Eric? If it's a problem that really concerns you, or anyone else, then become an "activist" in the area and help whip up a frenzy of indignation, eh? If even 1/2 of the resources and energy put into attempts to abolish the death penalty were expended directly on attempting to achieve more criminal prosecution of criminal DA's, judges, and cops, I'm sure more progress would have been made by now.

Yeah, lets just make the justice system perfect. That way, all the verdicts are true. And even if a mistake slips by, and an innocent person is put to death, we can call it an honest mistake, and still reap all the benefits of killing people. Of course, it wouldn't be a very honest mistake if there was an alternative that could have prevented it in the first place, like abolishing the death penalty, but since we absolutely have to have the death penalty, we'll have to live with honest mistakes. And pay a lot more money to accidentally kill people, but you can't really put a price on that.

 

[billyshelby]

OK, that would be fine with me. I as concerned about the punishment of innocent people as the next guy, I spect. You, and others here, seem to completely misunderstand and misconstrue my observation that "accidents" happen.

Life in prison, without parole, is a HORRIBLE fate, even worse than death, many would argue. I would NEVER want to see a guy falsely sentenced to that. But it happens. The question is what should we do about it? Like I said in the prior post, I don't think the appropriate answer is to abolish all laws or trials where it could be imposed. The problem must be attacked directly, not indirectly.

Which problem are you talking about? The problem of not killing innocent people ever? Or the problem of keeping the death penalty so it works better (whatever that actually means)? The good news is the vastly more important problem in this particular instance can be attacked directly and work perfectly.

 

[Surely]

We can make a sport out of coming up with new and creative ways to kill people for the sake of public entertainment, eh, I mean deterrence. Then, as the public executions become more popular, and profitable, we'll have to include more crimes in the capital punishment worthy category so that the viewing audience doesn't have to go a day without watching some scumbag get offed in the name of public good, justice and safety.

"Come on kids, it's time to see why you need to listen to mom and dad. This scumbag j-walker is about to fight for his life against this other scumbag who didn't pay his parking tickets."

So in your world, j-walking = killing kids with ball peen hammers or rat poison?

 

[billyshelby]

So in your world, j-walking = killing kids with ball peen hammers or rat poison?

Are there jokes in your world?

 

[Scat]

Does the double tap rule apply when executing by firing squad?

 

[default]

Regardless of the method of execution, it is pathetic that it has taken roughly 25 years to carry out the judge's sentence to execute. Apeals are reasonable, but not for 25 years.

 

[Surely]

Are there jokes in your world?

The jokes in my world are: the NBA, Obama, Bush and people that think we need open borders. Oh, and this lady as well (if in fact this is an actual call and not staged): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg0pDPK56Ys&feature=related

 

[Hopper]

Regardless of the method of execution, it is pathetic that it has taken roughly 25 years to carry out the judge's sentence to execute. Apeals are reasonable, but not for 25 years.

Justice delayed is justice denied, as they say, eh, Dee? Ya can thank the hand-wringin, candyass, DP abolitionists for the ridiculous procedural delays, I figure.

 

[Hopper]

Does the double tap rule apply when executing by firing squad?

Rules, Marcus? Inna gunfight!? I don't think so! Homey don't play dat.

What's the "double tap" rule, just outta curiosity, eh?