My argument for the death penalty...

[Hopper]

Don't git me wrong. The skank coulda framed his sorry ***, for all I know, or for all anyone knows. Is there any actual "evidence" that she did? None that the newspaper reported.

If I'm a governor, entrusted to enforce the laws and sentences of the state and it's courts, am I gunna release every prisoner whose son thinks he coulda been framed, without any actual evidence that he wuz? I don't think so! Homey don't play dat.

 

[Hopper]

Not really surprisin, I spoze, that the son's belief in his Pappy's framin wuz instilled by a guy who's sole "job" is to spot and expose "wrongful convictions." The guy is gunna look bad if he don't drum up some "wrongful convictions" to shout about, I spect.

"Ronald Kempfert was a young boy in 1975 when his father was sent to prison for murder, and they had no contact for 28 years. Then, in 2003, Mr. Kempfert heard from a lawyer who had been looking into the case. “Your father is innocent,” said the lawyer, Larry A. Hammond. “And we’re pretty sure your mother framed him.”

"...the Arizona Justice Project at the Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law at Arizona State University, which was founded by Mr. Hammond and works to overturn wrongful convictions, has represented Mr. Macumber since 2000."


Well, this "activist" bottom feeder is "pretty sure" the cop framed his client, eh? Again, too bad they couldn't provide any evidence beyond subjective belief.

"Ms. Kempfert and her son no longer speak. Ronald Kempfert, who took his stepfather’s last name when he was a child, is in the process of changing it back to Macumber."

I can see the strategy session at the "project" now, eh?: "OK, here's what we do. First we turn the kid against him mom, and then we haul him before the clemency board to make an emotional appeal. Them chumps will fall for it. They do every time."

 

[bat]

What about the pain and suffering the "victim's" victim(s) suffered?
I've had it up to HERE with all the bullsh$# about pain and suffering inflicted upon a condemned murderer. You know what? If you don't want to die by lethal injection, firing squad, electric chair, etc., there's an easy solution: DON'T COMMIT FIRST-DEGREE MURDER.

I do not condone torture. But any forced death is going to inflict some pain. I think the US has done a great job of minimizing that. We no longer hang people. The guillotine is not used. But bloody hell, it takes quite a lot to sentence someone to death: violent, pre-meditated murder. There is only so far you can go in minimizing suffering. And certainly the convicted murderer had no concern for how much his victim suffered.

Here in CA, the murderer of an 8-yr girl just got sentenced to life. Abused the little girl and then stuffed her victim in a suitcase and tossed it into an irrigation pond like yesterday's trash. What the "F" is wrong with this country? The woman who did it should be executed. Let's hope one of the inmates does the job the bleeding heart prosecutor and judge were too timid to do.

Hey I'm not trying to take a stance on anything here really, if he asked to be executed by firing squad I don't really care what happens to him. He made his bed, he gets to sleep in it.

I do however have a problem with cruel and unusual punishment being handed down by the Federal and Local Government, and imo shooting a man in the chest and watching him suffer for several minutes is both cruel and unusual. We don't live in an eye for an eye society, it's part of what makes this a great nation we live in.

 

[Loki]

You gotta love aint. He focuses on any tiny little battle he can potentially win and lays claim to the war. If he was at Waterloo, he would have killed the Drummer Boy and put himself up for a medal.

+1

I have a hard time enjoying posts from people who argue simply for the sake of arguing
Then again that makes me wonder why I am on here at times

 

[Surely]

Hey I'm not trying to take a stance on anything here really, if he asked to be executed by firing squad I don't really care what happens to him. He made his bed, he gets to sleep in it.

I do however have a problem with cruel and unusual punishment being handed down by the Federal and Local Government, and imo shooting a man in the chest and watching him suffer for several minutes is both cruel and unusual. We don't live in an eye for an eye society, it's part of what makes this a great nation we live in.

Yeah, I heard that they live up to 30 to 40 minutes after being shot in the heart.

So Billy, what would you like to do with the guy that killed the 4 year old last month? Give him a nice cushy cell to live in? Sorry, but people like that do not deserve to live. But to be fair, I suppose that maybe he really didn't kill the kid. You know, perhaps somebody else broke into the house and did all those terrible things. I mean, we really don't have any way to be 100% positive, right? Maybe we shouldn't have even arrested the step dad, I mean, he could be innocently sitting behind bars right now. Oh, the horror.

 

[Gameface]

Yeah, I heard that they live up to 30 to 40 minutes after being shot in the heart.

So Billy, what would you like to do with the guy that killed the 4 year old last month? Give him a nice cushy cell to live in? Sorry, but people like that do not deserve to live. But to be fair, I suppose that maybe he really didn't kill the kid. You know, perhaps somebody else broke into the house and did all those terrible things. I mean, we really don't have any way to be 100% positive, right? Maybe we shouldn't have even arrested the step dad, I mean, he could be innocently sitting behind bars right now. Oh, the horror.

I like that you're trying to paint a prison cell as a nice place to live. If only we could all be so lucky as to be caged like a dog.

 

[billyshelby]

Yeah, I heard that they live up to 30 to 40 minutes after being shot in the heart.

So Billy, what would you like to do with the guy that killed the 4 year old last month? Give him a nice cushy cell to live in? Sorry, but people like that do not deserve to live. But to be fair, I suppose that maybe he really didn't kill the kid. You know, perhaps somebody else broke into the house and did all those terrible things. I mean, we really don't have any way to be 100% positive, right? Maybe we shouldn't have even arrested the step dad, I mean, he could be innocently sitting behind bars right now. Oh, the horror.

If I'm hearing you correctly, we should only kill the guilty ones. I don't know why they never thought of that.

 

[Surely]

If I'm hearing you correctly, we should only kill the guilty ones. I don't know why they never thought of that.

Yeah, if we could only prove that Gardner is/was guilty. Also, I guess there is no way to prove 100% that the Sloops were/are guilty either. Perhaps we should let them go.

 

[sirkickyass]

You gotta love aint. He focuses on any tiny little battle he can potentially win and lays claim to the war. If he was at Waterloo, he would have killed the Drummer Boy and put himself up for a medal.

Exactly. His entire posting style involves finding a single sentence he disagrees with and responding several times in a row to that single issue rather than addressing full points. He then declares that you have been thoroughly outdebated while conceding all the substance.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[Hopper]

I betcha Kicky can out-swagger Biley, but it's gunna be a close call, I figure. I guess I'll reserve judgment until the contest is over.

 

[Hopper]

All evidence regarding how long it takes somone to die or the amount of pain inflicted through the guillotine is inherently speculative and/or anecdotal....we're really guessing and speculating...an educated guess is still, inherently, a guess.

Kicky, I seen where "New Scientist" was reporting on a 1991 study conducted on rats, which concluded that rats have enough oxygen stored (present) in their brain to last 2.7 seconds when decapitated. But they didn't give the full details, and I bet you anythng that some rats lasted 2.71 seconds, and some mebbe only 2.69. They don't KNOW, with 100% certainty, what the PRECISE amount of time will be for any given rat will be, I betcha. Just a speculative guess, that's all.

But that aint even the half of it! Based on those studies, they "estimate" that humans last 7 seconds. Did ya catch that little trick there? They said "estimate!" HAHAHAHAHA. In other words PURE SPECULATION. I bet it could be 7 minutes, 7 hours, or even 7 days. 7 seconds is just a wild-*** GUESS, that's all.

Who do these quacks think they're foolin, I wonder?

 

[moevillini]

ya'll really should read that book I mentioned above, parts of it are a real HOOT

From the chapter "A Head is a Terrible Thing to Waste," about plastic-surgery instruction on cadavers:

The human head is of the same approximate size and weight as a roaster chicken. I have never before had the occasion to make the comparison, for never before today have I seen a head in a roasting pan. But here are forty of them, one per pan, resting face-up on what looks to be a small pet-food bowl. The heads are for plastic surgeons, two per head, to practice on....