jom2003
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this team gotta start giving Mithell the Doncic/Harden/Lebron treatment.
The kid has earned it. Surround him with shooting/energy/muscle then let him create and go to work.
My hot take on what I'd do in the off-season.
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The kid has earned it. Surround him with shooting/energy/muscle then let him create and go to work.
Pastramiking
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Like Baynes but he might get bigger offers. Conley played well in the playoffs post his paternity leave (except for game 7) so I don’t think he is going anywhere.
jom2003
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This season serves as the perfect indictment of how too much scoring/shooting can actually do more harm than good.
Everyone want to shoot, dribble and be that hero. Yet no one want to do the little tiny things such as rebounding, defense, box out, setting screens, hustling for 50-50 ball, etc.
These things are integral parts to a basketball game.
You can shoot lights out every night but that is just one piece to the puzzle. If you don't fill the rest of the pieces, you can still lose.
And we did lose
Everyone want to shoot, dribble and be that hero. Yet no one want to do the little tiny things such as rebounding, defense, box out, setting screens, hustling for 50-50 ball, etc.
These things are integral parts to a basketball game.
You can shoot lights out every night but that is just one piece to the puzzle. If you don't fill the rest of the pieces, you can still lose.
And we did lose
I’m not sure why people think Conley will be hard to move. With the cap almost certainly going down and 2021 shaping to be a potentially huge free agent class, teams are definitely going to be interested in a large, expiring contract. Once we know the cap projections, take a look for any team that could use an expiring $35m open up enough cap space in 2021 for a max slot and there you will find our potential trade partners.
I could also see teams like the 76ers or Lakers looking at Conley for fit, as they both need a point guard.
I could also see teams like the 76ers or Lakers looking at Conley for fit, as they both need a point guard.
That1UtahFan
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I think Quin wants to but can only do so much with the players he's given. You can't go positionless with so many slow and smaller players. You need athleticism and size and then there's the question of Gobert. Can you go positionless (for the most part) with a player like Gobert on your roster? I think you can but it would take an almost complete roster overhaul and getting rid of players like Conley, Niang, Ingles etc... which isn't going to happen imo. This FO/ownership is too conservative to go down that path.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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I think Donovan and Gobert can be part of a big three. But we need to address depth issues and get real serious if we think that Gobert is a major piece of a contender. If not, it is time to cut ties and build around Donovan.
Clearly size and athleticism are an issue.
Clearly size and athleticism are an issue.
Joncolton
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I think we do have 2 of our big 3 pieces. I think the Jazz FO was hoping the 3rd piece would be Mike Conley, but chemistry between Conley and Mitchell never materialized. I think we need a Scottie Pippen type to pair with Donovan. A playmaking 3, who is recognized for his defense first, but can hit open shots even under pressure. Every team in the league wants that guy though, so we're going to have to find another diamond in the draft. I think these guys can do it, and I think one of the players I mentioned above could be him.
You don't get rid of a DPOY when you are trying to win a championship, but you don't pay him a supermax deal either. Golden State sure didn't give one to Draymond Green. Who is much better than Rudy on offense, and gets a ton more triple-doubles. Draymond signed a 5 year / $82,000,000 contract last year. I bet the Jazz offer Rudy something in that neighborhood, but it may be a 4 year 75 mil deal, with the Jazz having an option the last year.
jom2003
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To play positionless you gotta have complete/well rounded players who can do it all. We are having the exact opposite of that right now. A bunch of one-dimensional guys who are basically useless and liabilities on the floor when they can't hit their shots.
Troat Guru
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What do you think about OPJ?
IMO he could be the good "3 and D" player we need.
I only don't know if we could have a real chance to trade Conley for him...
IMO he could be the good "3 and D" player we need.
I only don't know if we could have a real chance to trade Conley for him...
LoPo
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A perfect post.
The entire offseason belongs to Donovan. He has had a better first 3 years of his career than MJ or LeBron. The kid is amazing on and off the court. DL and Quin need to sit down with Don and ask his opinion on what to do with Rudy, Conley, and Clarkson.
Danny Ferry destroyed Cleveland around LeBron so LeBron left. DL had a Danny Ferry summer in 2019. It would be idiotic to overpay Gobert and/or Clarkson if Don doesn't love the fit.
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First thing I do - I offer Mitchell 5max. If he doesn't accept, ask him if he would accept any other offer and if he wants something like a 3 year deal I sign him to it and immediately start listening to trade offers for him(not actively searching for trades, but actively listening).
Second thing I do - figure out what the max would be that I would like to pay Gobert and offer something in that range to him. If he doesn't accept, immediately begin search for trade partner.
If none of them want to stay for what I offer them, start selling off the whole team. Ingles, Bogdanovic, Conley... all of them ... rebuild.
If Mitchell takes the 5max but Rudy doesn't take what I offer, trade Rudy either for high draft picks or win now pieces in the timeline of Mitchel. If we trade Rudy, I might actually do Conley for Horford. Or take Favors back. Or look for a trade for Gobert that includes a young-ish center in the timeline of Mitchell(Turner? Allen? Wendel Carter?)
If Rudy takes whatever offer we make but Mitchell doesn't - keep the team with hope for one more run next year... while listening to the market for Mitchell... If you love an offer take it and try to retool around Gobert for as long as we can be competitive... then... rebuild...
If both want to stay and seem like they want to work together, keep them and try to retool around them... find a longer and/or more athletic wing.
Second thing I do - figure out what the max would be that I would like to pay Gobert and offer something in that range to him. If he doesn't accept, immediately begin search for trade partner.
If none of them want to stay for what I offer them, start selling off the whole team. Ingles, Bogdanovic, Conley... all of them ... rebuild.
If Mitchell takes the 5max but Rudy doesn't take what I offer, trade Rudy either for high draft picks or win now pieces in the timeline of Mitchel. If we trade Rudy, I might actually do Conley for Horford. Or take Favors back. Or look for a trade for Gobert that includes a young-ish center in the timeline of Mitchell(Turner? Allen? Wendel Carter?)
If Rudy takes whatever offer we make but Mitchell doesn't - keep the team with hope for one more run next year... while listening to the market for Mitchell... If you love an offer take it and try to retool around Gobert for as long as we can be competitive... then... rebuild...
If both want to stay and seem like they want to work together, keep them and try to retool around them... find a longer and/or more athletic wing.